Uniquename111 52 Share Posted May 27, 2013 (sorry for the long title...) So, before I decide whether or not file a ban/strike report, I wanted to know if being an accomplice requires a VA. For example, I was kidnapped by 3 bandits, someone walks over, the bandits ask if they'd like me as a slave. The passerby says sure, but before I'm given to the passerby (for the really low price of 50 minas... :( ) the bandits ask if he was alright with my eye gouged out (turns out one or 2 of the bandits was cannibalistic and wanted an eye), the passerby says yes, go and do it (just so it's clear, it is yet unclear whether or not he/she agreed to the proposal of the bandits or if he/she asked the bandits to do so). Would this passerby need a VA for letting them gouge out my eye? Also, soon after my eye was gouged out, i managed to get loose and start running away, the passerby assisted the bandits in catching me (which they eventually did). Would this passerby need a VA for helping them catch me? Edit- Also, this passerby never RPly paid for me (only OOCly with the command), what happened is that the bandits and passerby started haggling over a price, I got away, and when they caught me, I was given over to the passerby. I'm wondering, since I technically never was "Bought", did the passerby kidnap me/enslave me right there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wretched 2075 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Just like how you don't need a VA to hire assassins or buy a slave, I don't imagine they'd need a VA to simply agree to having an eye of somebody else removed when they're not the ones doing it. And your edit there seems more like a way to try and pick holes through the rules. I see nothing wrong with it at all, but I'll go find a member of the VAT to confirm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniquename111 52 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 Just like how you don't need a VA to hire assassins or buy a slave, I don't imagine they'd need a VA to simply agree to having an eye of somebody else removed when they're not the ones doing it. And your edit there seems more like a way to try and pick holes through the rules. I see nothing wrong with it at all, but I'll go find a member of the VAT to confirm. Aren't they accomplices since they let them do it, isn't it evil enough to say Yes, when you have the choice of saying No? :P, I don't get it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo 1415 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Chasing after someone does not require a VA. Telling a group of cannibalistic bandits what they want to hear so you do not get your own eyes gouged out, also, does not require a VA. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniquename111 52 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 Chasing after someone does not require a VA. Telling a group of cannibalistic bandits what they want to hear so you do not get your own eyes gouged out, also, does not require a VA. Ok then... well, thanks. Though I'm not sure if it was that kind of scenario, since the passerby was WAY more armed, the only one with armor, the bandits only had a small blade and a hatchet, one may have had a crossbow (though I think that was the passerby). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThanksChris 605 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Well, firstly, purchasing a slave does not require a VA, only capturing or beating one, so, no harm done there. Moving on to the next point, allowing villains to perform villainous activity is also fine, so long as you do not partake in it. Thus, him allowing the others to gauge out one of your eyes was fine. Now, as far as him helping them catch you, that depends. He would be allowed to, without a VA, assist them in finding you, however he would not be allowed to actually physically attack or entrap you. That must be done by the characters possessing VAs. If you have any other questions regarding the circumstances of this RP that I may have missed or that you would now like to bring up, feel free to do so. Otherwise, inform me if this query is complete and I will have it moved along to the appropriate forum as soon as possible! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniquename111 52 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 Well, firstly, purchasing a slave does not require a VA, only capturing or beating one, so, no harm done there. Moving on to the next point, allowing villains to perform villainous activity is also fine, so long as you do not partake in it. Thus, him allowing the others to gauge out one of your eyes was fine. Now, as far as him helping them catch you, that depends. He would be allowed to, without a VA, assist them in finding you, however he would not be allowed to actually physically attack or entrap you. That must be done by the characters possessing VAs. If you have any other questions regarding the circumstances of this RP that I may have missed or that you would now like to bring up, feel free to do so. Otherwise, inform me if this query is complete and I will have it moved along to the appropriate forum as soon as possible! Well, He began shooting me with a crossbow... would he need a VA to do that, which was helping the bandits catch me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThanksChris 605 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Well, if he was not provoked (provocation can include threats by the bandits) to attack you prior to that moment, then he would indeed have needed a VA. Attacking someone however, doesn't require a VA if it is provoked. Also, have you spoken with the player in question about this issue? Always remember that it's better to get in contact with and discuss your disagreements civilly with other players before resorting to ban reports, or other such action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniquename111 52 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 Well, if he was not provoked to attack you prior to that moment, then he would indeed have needed a VA. Attacking someone however, doesn't require a VA if it is provoked. Also, have you spoken with the player in question about this issue? Always remember that it's better to get in contact with and discuss your disagreements civilly with other players before resorting to ban reports, or other such action. First, I'm pretty sure he was unprovoked, unless provocation includes trying to catch me, his slave. Second, I've talked to him (her IRL) several times, though she keeps logging out halfway through, I asked her whether she would need a VA for shooting me with the crossbow (which she didn't deny doing), and she said no, since she didn't "hurt" me (or at least not kill me). Also, I asked Jistuma the same question, his responses (unedited): [4:29:00 PM] Uniquename111 - Sil Iyat: jistuma, do you need a VA to attempt to kill someone with a crossbow? [4:30:57 PM] jistuma: yes [4:31:03 PM] jistuma: what kind of question is that? [4:31:08 PM] jistuma: Of course you do [4:32:22 PM] Uniquename111 - Sil Iyat: ok, what if they don't kill you, and what if it's to aid bandits in catching someone? [4:38:02 PM] jistuma: They need a VA if they are aiding bandits This was all in the Vaerhaven Town Chat. Edit- Also, if he (she IRL) didn't RPly purchase me, and she just took me while I was unconcious, is that kidnapping or slave-holding, or what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThanksChris 605 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Alright, well, if they weren't being threatened by the bandits into assisting them, then that brings us to the conclusion that they likely weren't supposed to be attacking you. Now, have you already tried communicating with this other person via OOC means and resolving the issue privately with them? If not, I'd suggest that you contact them and discuss it with them, as you can't simply resort to a ban report/strike report so immediately. While I understand why you might be frustrated and upset, it'd be better if you could simply talk this through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniquename111 52 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 Second, I've talked to him (her IRL) several times, though she keeps logging out halfway through, I asked her whether she would need a VA for shooting me with the crossbow (which she didn't deny doing), and she said no, since she didn't "hurt" me (or at least not kill me). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThanksChris 605 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Hmm, apologies for overlooking that. Alright, well, if you have the logs and evidence, and believe that they will not listen any other way, then go through with the report. I'm assuming you have no further questions or curiosities regarding the rules? If so, feel free to mention them, or otherwise add a [Resolved] tag to the title of this thread, so that I can go ahead and move it along as soon as I get the chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniquename111 52 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 Hmm. Alright, well, if you have the logs and evidence, and believe that they will not listen any other way, then go through with the report. I'm assuming you have no further questions or curiosities regarding the rules? If so, feel free to mention them, or otherwise add a [Resolved] tag to the title of this thread, so that I can go ahead and move it along as soon as I get the chance. Okay, what stinks is that while this was going on, I didn't realize that they didn't have a VA or if they needed one (since I only was told that they should have a VA by someone who I talked to later, coincidentally the doctor who healed me afterwards. And then I realized they probably should hava a VA...), so I didn't take a screenshot of the chat, though a friend of mine was standing there listening to the whole thing (wierdly enough, he was returning my stuff to me OOCly, don't worry he didn't get involved). Would that suffice as evidence though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThanksChris 605 Share Posted May 27, 2013 You need to take screenshots of the event occurring and of you attempting to reason with the other player in order for it to be considered sufficient as evidence to a ban report. However, if you have reasoning to, you could ask a GM to look through the chat logs in order to see what was said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparehoeCakes 547 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Yes, if you are unhappy with any villainous RP, please follow this: http://www.lordofthecraft.net/forum/index.php?/topic/86207-reporting-improper-villainious-conduct/If you witness doing something villainous without a VA, that is bannable and should be reported to a GM or VAT. As stated above, you can always get a GM to find the logs, though this does take much time off of the GM's part and should not be used often.And easy way to see if someone has a VA is to go to the accepted section of the VAs and type their MC name into the search bar and make sure it says 'this forum' for the search. It's nice and easy, and the quickest way to find these things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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