{Q} Is This Harrasment/cybering?

[Draeris 3124]

The whole Drama theatre about AiiM's departure made me think about a recent incident which forced me to kill off one of my most dearest and oldest character, originating from my old account in Asulon.

 

Basicly, ICly we were transporting some information when they kinda god.. "leaked" along the way due a robbery. As unfortunatly as it might was, I thought it was proper to post it on the forums so when this information is actually used. That there won't be unecessary drama because of (Partialy) me.

 

I posted it, and it turned a whole community against me. I got called a meta gamer, the "Elite", or whatever I should call them threathened me that they would go to the GM's & report me. I got kicked out of their skype chat and it turned many people against me.

 

The mails I received.. were actually too much, and I thought that if my whole race hates me I can better just let him disseaper.

 

The readers who participated in bringing me to my knees would recognize, and knowing their personality defend themselves with out of context screenshots *cough*. I let the choice if they want to be known or not, to themselves.

 

Either way, is the above any form of harrasment/Cybering? Just wanted to know.. If it would be I might decide to dare to revive my old character.

[ĔṀĔŔĨĨČĶ 519]

No, that is not Cybering.

[MamaBearJade 2090]

it is a form of bullying.

however, "Cybering" is different. Cybering is basically...well...FTB without the FTB part and RPing the actual act ^^;;

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Cybering is sex :/ What is happening to you is CyberBULLYING, and if you feel bullied you should talk to your abusers and try and sort it out, or take it to the staff.

[JtPv 140]

Since I didn't see the actual incident, I can't tell you much. Although if every last detail you said is true, I would consider it bullying.

[Draeris 3124]

Well.. I guess I got the cybering part.. misspelled..

But you suggest I go to the staff with it?

[Dizzy771 900]

I know what situation you are talking about and if you wish to pursue it I suppose I have a little to contribute to it. But for your sake I shall remain silent unless you wish to pursue it.

[Dohvi 622]

Making yourself look victimized when a couple people try to speak with you in a mature fashion about having extremely good reason to believe you've broken rules does not instantly mean you've been bullied. Anyone that actually read the main conversation should be quite capable of seeing that it was a discussion that revolved around trying to find the source of someone gaining information they had no access to. I'm not aware of any bullying occurring. Had you given an actual explanation instead of purposely remaining vague, the conversation would have ceased very quickly (not that it continued after you stopped replying anyway).

[Draeris 3124]

Making yourself look victimized when a couple people try to speak with you in a mature fashion about having extremely good reason to believe you've broken rules does not instantly mean you've been bullied. Anyone that actually read the main conversation should be quite capable of seeing that it was a discussion that revolved around trying to find the source of someone gaining information they had no access to. I'm not aware of any bullying occurring. Had you given an actual explanation instead of purposely remaining vague, the conversation would have ceased very quickly (not that it continued after you stopped replying anyway).

 

I am not "talking about that conversation in particular".

 

I don't know if you are aware of it or not, but it is quite annoying getting a lot of HE after you because you would be a meta gamer.. and get told that you would be ban reported constantly, while afterwards I get added to your conversation on these forums and you don't believe what actually happened. What resulted into some people sending me for execution IC because I would have broken laws and for OOC reasons.

[leave me alone 995]

So, some random people on the internet you never met started yelling at you and you got scared and upset?

 

wat

[Dohvi 622]

By continuing to dramatify and exaggerate the situation, you're only making yourself feel victimized. Just like the whole "if you don't re-add me to the chat, I'll declare war ICly threat." No one forced you to kill off your character, and no one was writing ban reports over the rules broken. No one with any power called for any IC actions, nor am I aware of anyone without power doing so either. Apart from the only two people who had legitimate full access to the knowledge you "obtained" trying to discuss it with you, I'm only aware of a single person messaging you in private. Everyone else was made fully aware that it was being discussed.

[Draeris 3124]

By continuing to dramatify and exaggerate the situation, you're only making yourself feel victimized. Just like the whole "if you don't re-add me to the chat, I'll declare war ICly threat." No one forced you to kill off your character, and no one was writing ban reports over the rules broken. No one with any power called for any IC actions, nor am I aware of anyone without power doing so either. Apart from the only two people who had legitimate full access to the knowledge you "obtained" trying to discuss it with you, I'm only aware of a single person messaging you in private. Everyone else was made fully aware that it was being discussed.

 

The ironic part is, that maybe you acted mature and "normal". There were other people making such claims and.. well not spamming, but lets call it "Over-stating several terms which I highly dislike in a very intimidating way". No one forced me to kill my character, not in that perspective. But if you get Icly, and OOCly basicly attacked by angry pointy ears because something about a relic was robbed from us, I can say it was "disturbing" and "intimidating". You shouldn't feel attacked yourself, as you & Smithers were the only two who seemed to normally react on this matter, Supremacy was not really in the picture.. But I'm talking about the rest.

[Dohvi 622]

If there's any evidence that "the rest" actually acted in an inappropriate manner, I would very much like to see it (feel free to PM me if such evidence does exist, so I can look into it). To be quite honest, you've acted rather dramatic about the reaction from the very start though, exaggerating it in every instance I've seen. Thus just like the supposed spy via which you obtained the information with, I require evidence.

 

Edit: Though regardless of evidence or not, I would very much like to hear who you feel has been intimidating you, and the details. Preferably in a PM.

[Smithers 388]

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Attempting to ride on the current 'ban all for harassment' bandwagon (stated in very direct terms) by only telling a fraction of a story will not be tolerated. Whether you wish to pursue such a claim with such a limited statement is up to you. I do, however, note that it won't go very far, nor will it be looked kindly upon by the staff when all that occurred is revealed in an orderly fashion.

[Draeris 3124]

Attempting to ride on the current 'ban all for harassment' bandwagon (stated in very direct terms) by only telling a fraction of a story will not be tolerated. Whether you wish to pursue such a claim with such a limited statement is up to you. I do, however, note that it won't go very far, nor will it be looked kindly upon by the staff when all that occurred is revealed in an orderly fashion.

 

I had no intentions to "Ride the ban all for harrasment wagon", I merely asked if this fell under the criterea of "Harrasment or Cyberbullying". As reply  Dovhi, as I really respect that he acts in a fair and honest manner, I must decline such request as I ( When posting this, as stated by me  ) did say that I do not wish to name names, nor involve anyone. It was your choice that you said it was this situation, which is afcourse.. your choice. Yet I can go looking through my skype archive, maybe some screenshots along the way, but it would only make things worse. As Smither already made clear, if I set one move on the chess board which comes over offensive to some HE people, they would find any way to make evidence that I am wrong. As I do not wish to waste my time in endless courtings and evidential showoffs, I am not going to lower my level of my personal principle and go involve a whole "nation" in this Question ( Thats what the {Q}  was for ).

 

Further on, that most of you have a delightful habit of striking down anything offensive towards your cult of high elves I do not wish to be striken down. Yes, there was a spy who reported it to me. Now I should have screenshotted my whole conversation with him? You asked for a in game name, or RP name, and as I felt personally intimidated and harrassed I didn't want my friend to go through the same. As we continue on the "Wagon of ban all for harrasment", You think that I acted highly dramatic at the start? How come, if I needed to explain who my sources were on PM and I got kicked out of your skype? Secondly, I don't make myself victimized, nor do I give a fraction of what happened according to Smithers. Just like the white rose I experienced the actions taken by the High elves different then you think I would or should. Unlike the whiterose though, not being able to enter your city while being proven pure due that partially OOC incident made me kill off my character, as I already had to deal with OOC gossiping and a light form of hatred towards me.

 

As I know Smithers is opening a door towards "Come on, show us your evidence", I will not go into that. As I know that if you can convince multiple people to raise their banners against me that I would be doomed, while I try to be a great addition to this server generally.

 

Either way, I am aware of the fact that your reputation has quite gone into the direction of making excuses in situations which might cause harm. ( See warclaims and past posts related towards non-benefiting actions taken towards High elfs ). I personally believe that this would happen with me as well. Only this won't be a warclaim, but my reputation and trusts towards friends and known people in general.

 

As I know that even though I might be on the winning side in a report, that many bridges I build would be crushed anyway.

I would need to say sorry towards Dovhi that I do not believe  involving even more players agains't my will would be a good solution.

And Smithers, afcourse it wouldn't come far with the staff as you would over complicate it with OOC things, and maybe even the magic plugin. So please read what I actually mean with a post, before turning "Mannered manipulative", as I did not mean to Go to the staff with this.