Substitute For Status Updates

[Major Dom 1297]

[Aislin 4354]

Even if the poll ends up with keep status updates, you need to remove them regardless.

[Lym 849]

We have a whole plethora of issues going on, and this is the one we focus on now?

 

Status updates are a non-essential part of the server and the community.

 

We should be focusing on fixing the server, not the forums.

 

 

You have yet to realize that in order to fix an entire server, you'll have to bring all parts of the server together in harmony. Fixing the server is not something that can be done by one person within a day. It requires most of us, if not everyone, to pull together.

 

 

Edit: I know it's a preposterous idea to appreciate what is being done at the moment but that's life for you and you'll have to deal with it nonetheless ^^

[Alan 1815]

I like your tone Lym, it screams professionalism and maturity. Thanks.

 

Fighting fire with fire is part of the reason they call them flame wars in the first place.

 

As for the actual brunt of your post, we are in no way "focusing" on this matter. It's a side feedback thread asking for the opinion of the community on a single issue, but in no way does that mean we have put every other matter aside in order to fix it. In fact, other than this thread we have done absolutely nothing in regards to the proposed changes, instead we posted a thread and then immediately continued working on the same priorities we have been for weeks and months. Creating a single feedback thread is not going to cause the staff to drop every important issue and bring about the destruction of the server, as many people seem to believe is happening.

[Free The Hobbits 859]

Are you seriously listening to Gronkk...again?

Gronkk is not just a troll you know. He has actual ideas and really good input. Kebab does too but we don't speak of him

[Acornlad 206]

Even if the poll ends up with keep status updates, you need to remove them regardless.

If the poll ends up that way, keep statuses. Its unreasonable to go against the public opinion of the server. If the staff removes them, it is a slap in the face to the players as it is basically saying "We the staff know better than the community and disregard your opinion.".

[nppeck 601]

I say we should try both and then see which one works out better.

[Dolly 119]

I really like the idea of the "Quick News" system because sometimes you can't even find server IPs, status or the other useful things in the recent status updates. However, I believe a chatroom would just promote trolling, senseless spam and degeneration of player chat as a whole to a whole new level of terrible that the likes of LotC has never seen.

 

But I 100% agree with the fact that status updates NEED to go. All they do is cause drama, cyberbullying and trolling. There's a reason I don't have a Facebook and I don't really want to have one on here either. We're roleplayers, if we need to vent about an unfair war or a recent ban, we can do that in TS... in our own little channel... to our own little friends... and not spam everyone else with it. Besides, they're the only ones who care anyways.

[The Cleaning Crew 571]

I don't see the point. Trolls will troll. Flamers will flame. Getting rid of status updates won't help at all. If that really the reason we're doing this, then just keep status updates. They're fine.

We don't need a chat room we will never use. There's already TS, skype groups, and OOC chat.

Quick news is a good idea but it's not worth getting rid of status updates over, in my opinion. If there's a way to do that without taking the status updates area on the web page, then go ahead.

[Alan 1815]

Yet, i'm the one at fault here, because I stood up for myself against a Staff member?

 

You're "at fault" for calling Lym out for being immature and unprofessional while you respond in an equally immature and unprofessional manner. If Lym is seen to be acting out of hand, he will be dealt with accordingly by a staff member, but you acting like that will only cause further drama. Staff or not, there's no excuse to act inappropriately.

 

 

 

No, but seeing as this 'issue' has only just surfaced up in the last few days, raised by Aislinn I believe, and it's already being fast-tracked through Your View, means that the Staff had a discussion, made a thread, an admin saw or was shown to this thread, they in turn had a discussion with the other admins and came to the conclusion that maybe it would be a good idea to gauge the communities reactions, fast-tracking the idea to Your View. 

 

I think this might be a waste of Staff resources, at the time being, seeing as we have a server that can barely remain online, has been rolled back by a week or so, have large events plagued by hackers and cheaters alike, antagonists who find it incredible that people don't want to participate in an event when they've just been through a 2 1/2 hour battle, that had too little staff to help man the lore-approved machinery being used by both sides and one very tired, but vehemently angry community.

 

I'm sorry, it needed to be said Alan.

 

[2:09:10 PM] Michael Ritts: Thoughts on statuses?

[2:14:43 PM] Michael Ritts: Alright then, I'll get to it now.

[2:29:08 PM] Michael Ritts: http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/102133-substitute-for-status-updates/

 

The first time stamp is when I first brought up the discussion to the staff. The second time stamp, merely 5 minutes later, is when the light discussion between a few GMs ended and we agreed to make a feedback thread to allow the community to have a say in the matter. The last time stamp was posted a few minutes after I finalized and posted this actual thread. From start to finish, the entire "waste of time" was 2 seconds shy of 20 minutes, and it only applied to a few staff members. Given the hours and hours that most of us spend on this server each day, I highly doubt that 20 minutes for a few of us to address this issue is going to hurt anyone.

 

We have our priorities set rather well, but don't expect us to each spend all 24 hours of our day fully focused on the major problems while spending no time fixing the minor issues, because when that happens those minor issues have the potential to become major problems. To put it bluntly, stop acting like spending such a trivial amount of time on an issue like this is a "Waste of staff resources" and that it will prevent us from solving the other issues that are a higher priority, because quite simply it won't.  

[Crayfishchris 751]

As stated by many other people in this thread, I don't believe the update system is the problem. Trolls always find some sort of way to go through with what they're doing. What we should do is try out all these ideas at once, and then see what the community's reaction is to the new additions. We're all so hostile towards an abrupt change, so let's ease into this.

[Schneebo 1593]

I'm indifferent to all of this. I believe whatever the staff does is for the best of the server.

[lukejes 55]

I honestly don't think status updates are necessary. The way I see it, it just gives bored people something to do.

[Wobbajack 119]

The Quick News is definitely a great idea. That will be very beneficial to everyone and be right there for everyone to see. That's part of what makes status updates so great. They're right there. While a chat seems great and all it obviously won't be the same. A button titled Chat at the top won't seem as seamless as the status updates. What would the chat even be anyways? Just another webpage here, or a whole separate page like an IRC channel or something?

 

Of course that's just my opinion. Perhaps we could make a temporary chat and see how that goes before actually committing ourselves to something.

[Elindor 666]

The Status Updates are the Twitter of LotC. You say your stupid little bit and others can get in on it. It seemed a pointless addition when it came, but as it turns out they serve a purpose that nothing else does. You don't want a full post about some of that crap, L-OOC is a bit too temporary for your little spurt of thought. It seems to me to make sense to have something in between an instant chat and a lasting post.

 

If we remove something because flamers flame where do you stop?

 

Unless something that does the same job only better is available, don't change something that isn't broken.

 

 

So, neither of those options do what the Status Updates do. The first will likely extend the elitism of staff over players. The second will just become the spam of L-OOC. Why would we need a chatroom? There's TS, Skype and L-OOC.