Rebel War.. Thing,

[Urasept 1361]

As many of you know already there was a huge fiasco at the rebel battle. And thus the winner has yet to be decided. So I am posting this here to get the view of the moderating team. I am doing this so I have what the GM/Sm's think should happen to help choose the right path. Please note I am trying to be as fair as I can with this.

 

Those that don't know the war had at minimum 2 hacker's killing a lot of people before they got banned. But this was not the limit of the cheating. As several people had used golden apples and the such, assumingly from both sides.

 

I still have at least one leader to talk too about this. And the players are wanting a quick reply.

[Ever 2648]

call it a tie, then have them do peace. that's what they want to do anyways, according to the nation leader chat.

 

ps: theyre going to be realyl pissed if you make them redo

[SparehoeCakes 547]

Ask them what THEY want to do. The war was at a horrible time. It was right on the holiday, if they redo it, things would PROBABLY be better. Though, I know if I was anyone, I'd be pissed if I was told to redo it, though some people may rather it. I think, the best thing to do is to redo it, however making them restock supplies and all that ruins RP and whatnot, as well as that'd make no RP sense. If WE as moderators choose a winner, no matter what winner we choose, we will get whined at. Both outcomes look biased.

My suggestions are:

-Make them decide on what they want, make them discuss it, only the leaders involved.

-Bring other leaders into the discussion ^^

-Take the land (whatever fort that was being fought over) with a neutral force, like the Antags. Make the two fight this neutral party.

-Make them pick # (10 or more) of their "best" warriors, and make those # of people fight. It'd have to be an even number, and maybe the Mod. team could supply everyone with armor and swords. Make sure everyone has nothing else in their inventory, and the last person/team standing is the winner.

-I really, really, really, don't think they should re-fight. It just, doesn't make sense.

-DO NOT, as the GM/SM team(s) pick a winner. The loser will be pissed and it will cause so much drama. It isn't worth it.

----If we pick Oren, it looks like 'pity' because hackers, and if we pick rebels it looks like we're supporting the hackers. (Or vice-verse, whatever side had the hackers,,, you get what I mean)

-~-(If I think of anything else, I'll add it.)

[ski_king3 0]

I'm not very informed on what went down. Do they have a preference here?

[Sky 0]

I was there for the start, though left shortly after due to the time.

 

Though I personally think that the Rebels lost. The rebels were seiging Oren (Stafyr Castle?) , though halfway through retreated and Oren started seiging them. (A surrender in my eyes)

 

I don't understand some of the options given though;

"Redo the fight on fairer terms, with more staff present"

 

How were the current terms unfair? I mean, yes all I am hearing about the seige (albeit the rebel side) is "The rebels only had one active GM for the seige equipment thanks to the hacker!" and "Yeah but they had a hacker!" and even a couple people saying this "We would of won if the hacker was on our side!"

 

I watched the video, he killed under a dozen people and they just returned to the battle field as right as rain, so there was hardly a dent cause by it. The GM thing, I don't know exactly, but I doubt that the GM/SM ratio on both sides weren't so significant that when a couple went to deal with a hacker the rebels lost control of all their seige equipment.

 

Redoing the battle at all is a silly idea, IMHO, because if we think of it on a dynamic timeline sort of way, how is it explained? 

 

Are we voiding the war? I thought voiding RP was discouraged.

 

If anything, I would suggest the following;

 

"Oren has fought back the rebel forces, yet the rebel forces seem strong and ready for battle in the coming weeks"

 

Instead of the usual waiting time (Three months AFAIK) just give them till the new year at most. That way, the battle was void and the rebels get to well, rebel again shortly. 

[IrishPerson 693]

Simple, Oren won. There were two hackers, there are normally many more. The butthurt flows strong with the side who lost but they'd be much more if a redo is made happen.

[Urasept 1361]

I am just going to say, I am going to be doing what they agree too.  This is for pimarily if nothing can be agree'd too amongst them.

 

And Sky, I don't void things :P so the other battle would have happened, it would just be attack number 2 after recouperating losses.

[emberhard 82]

I'd say tie, even with all the hacking and rumors and butt-hurt etc. the way I heard it was the rebels put up a jolly good fight, and even though Oren had the last men standing, it was not by much.

[firespirit44 1323]

Battle was pretty even, though it was Oren who pressed the advantage using their main force to fight in a melee. Though it was very close, and I have reports that the people killed by the hackers were tp'ed back into the battlefield as a second chance

 

So the hackers were technically  negated. 

[Zarsies 6795]

Let the nation leaders decide - I don't know enough.

[KoTo 610]

I'd say tie, even with all the hacking and rumors and butt-hurt etc. the way I heard it was the rebels put up a jolly good fight, and even though Oren had the last men standing, it was not by much.

 

You can call it a tie all you want, but the result of this battle cannot be a tie.

 

The objective of the warclaim was for the rebellion to capture Shattenburg, so that they may get a foothold in Oren territory in order to continue the rebellion. So, the Rebels either did or didn't capture the objective, there can be no middle ground, and seeing how the objective of the warclaim was the occupation of Shattenburg, there is no way we can declare them the winner.

 

The only two remaining options would be to either declare Oren the winner, or to have a re-match, an option not in favor by many of the staff here, and let's not forget that the one's who got killed by the hacker were teleported to the battle immediately after. And that's why I think Oren won, considering.

[Urasept 1361]

An agreement has been made between Oren and the rebels. They should be if not already have, be making a post about it.