MamaBearJade 2090 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 Regarding these two things you may either see them getting done faster or a GM might decide to go inactive and have people sending them reports that will never get done. The picked GM may be biased but if this is how BR are handled it would most likely go like this. -Player send GM report-GM shows report to all staff in our chat-Someone claims the report in chat So the GM that received the report might not even be the one handling it.Then just make a GM account for the forums and then this also keeps track of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lark 2227 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I've made a decision. I say keep Ban Reports public. Why? Because think about it, who wants to be shamed infront of their peers? No one. Public shaming is a great way to keep the populous under control. As harsh a view it is, KIng of Dragon's Pass has taught me its the best way to keep everyone happy and teach a lesson. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag 3231 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Then just make a GM account for the forums and then this also keeps track of it. The only problem with this is what happens when a GM leaves? You need a new password. Constantly changing it would suck. If only there was a way to link reports through the moderator CP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSunny 14 Share Posted January 5, 2014 As one person said. Ban Reports: Aye. Make private. Ban Appeals: Nay. Keep public. I had a big post ready, but I figured it wasn't worth it. I agree that Ban Reports should be private, due to them leading to OOC and even sometimes (I'm sure) RP drama. Ban Appeals however should stay public. If you do something to get BANNED from this server, you best do something to get ACCEPTED back into the server. Else you can just stay out. Weather you like it or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overland 349 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Even though sometimes I'm interested in reading ban reports (often for the wrong reasons...) I think it would be a good idea to try this. But ban appeals should stay as they often have less drama than reports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter (sckolar) 50 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I've made a decision. I say keep Ban Reports public. Why? Because think about it, who wants to be shamed infront of their peers? No one. Public shaming is a great way to keep the populous under control. As harsh a view it is, KIng of Dragon's Pass has taught me its the best way to keep everyone happy and teach a lesson. That goes both ways. Often times, the person getting banned makes the GM look bad by not telling everyone the full truth with their ban. As a result, the GM gets a lot of harsh treatment from the community even when they are right in their decisions. Even when the person being banned is telling the full truth, all of that player's friends attack the GM anyway. Even if the player is rightfully banned (which is selfish of every single one of those players btw for considering their friend and themselves before the rest of the community) I find teaching the player a lesson a bonus in their ban. Really, banning is just to keep the trouble makers out, and if their offense is forgivable, then they are let back in. Learning a lesson is a nice addition, but not required, and they probably learn enough just from getting banned anyway. Most maturity lessons are learned outside of LOTC anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappy 1599 Share Posted January 6, 2014 That goes both ways. Often times, the person getting banned makes the GM look bad by not telling everyone the full truth with their ban. As a result, the GM gets a lot of harsh treatment from the community even when they are right in their decisions. Even when the person being banned is telling the full truth, all of that player's friends attack the GM anyway. Even if the player is rightfully banned (which is selfish of every single one of those players btw for considering their friend and themselves before the rest of the community) I find teaching the player a lesson a bonus in their ban. Really, banning is just to keep the trouble makers out, and if their offense is forgivable, then they are let back in. Learning a lesson is a nice addition, but not required, and they probably learn enough just from getting banned anyway. Most maturity lessons are learned outside of LOTC anyway.This, along with community drama and people making reports or appeals for the rep are the reasons I like this idea. I especially hate it when players make an appeal that's not aimed as an apology for what they did, but simply to rally players to their side. I like the spirit of this idea as a means to minimize drama, although if I were a group leader, I'd want to know if I was recruiting a member that had a history of problematic behavior. I'd also want to know if a member of staff had offenses that had been swept under the rug. I'm all about being up front and public about ****-ups, and we've had a long and lengthy history of Admins and GMs mishandling the hell out of ban reports and appeals and the consequences thereof, so I feel that publicly displaying all of these things serves as a solid means of checks and balances for us as players to keep our staff members in check on their decisions. It's also a solid way for our staff to maintain the trust of the community they serve.Primarily for this reason, a healthy distrust of the staff in general based on previous offenses, I am against privatizing ban reports and appeals. If I were a staff member I would feel the same way. It's mutually beneficial to everyone here that we just be open and honest about everything.This isn't intended to bash the staff, I like quite a few of you guys, but it's a valid point that has to be raised. I'm sure many of us can remember, in vivid detail, instances where the details of various staff members' and players' offenses were obscured and we didn't offer transparency and the **** storm that followed. Let's not go back down that road.On the other hand, this is why I'm undecided on this issue. I'm all for transparency in staff behaviour, but this transparency comes at the cost of the issues mentioned above. I actually think the community should have more of a say in ban reports/appeals. I mean, the server revolves around the fun of the players, and the players should be able to decide who they want to RP with and who doesn't deserve to be here any longer.No. Ban reports and appeals will not become a popularity contest. Very often the right decision is not the popular one. 90% of the community thinks only of their own interests and those of their friends, not what is best for the server. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lago 2572 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Just make a new "Public" Gm account so all Ban reports go to the same account and any GM can respond to the PM's that way you can't "Pick" your GM :p You can't. The GM that bans you handles your appeal. GMs choose BRs they aren't involved in to handle. As for this issue as a whole, I think the drama reduction is not a sufficient payoff to lose the transparency. That, and you don't think that if a player is banned they aren't going to both talk about it and embellish the story? That happens enough with server bans, which are hidden (I personally think a copy of server bans with any cybering material removed (this is why they're hidden) should be publically visible). tl;dr, I'd rather the transparency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedan The Bard 350 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Should become private, but keep a list where people can see who is banned and who is not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdwhisperer 1174 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Moved to the Great Library. It shall be sorted into appropriate category shortly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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