A New Law

[Fimlin 1997]

Fimlin Grandaxe thinks of the recent lack of pay within guilds that normally would supply sufficient minas to new lads he beings to write on a large scroll

A New Law:

Recently few lads have had little to no pay, to stop this I propose to you this new law; stating a minimuim wage for the: Smithing Guild, Yemaker's Workforce, and The Legion.

Minimuim Wage Law: The Smithing Guild, Yemaker's Workforce and The Legion are to hold a minimuim wage for acceptable work. This minimuim wage is 100 minas per elven week, a Legion Grunt is an exception however a Legion Stoneguard and above is expected to have at least 100 minas pay each elven week. The amount of minas the Minimuim Wage Law would require can be amended when it is necessary, however unless the Grand Kingdom of Urguan is low on money or high in debt.

Grand King Wulfgar Grandaxe
Grand King Wulfgar Grandaxe

Lord Chancellor Hogarth Irongut
Lord Hogarth Irongut

Lord Labourer Onar Ireheart _______________________________

Lord Paladin Fimlin Grandaxe
Lord Fimlin Grandaxe

Lord Specter Dizzy Irongrinder
Lord Dizzy Irongrinder

Lord Protector Zahrer Irongrinder ___________________________
((Any post not made by a lord/ Grand King will be removed))

[Hiebe 2493]

Wat is dis canada?

[Fimlin 1997]

Wat is dis canada?

[Daisy 9735]

*refuses to sign*

[Zezimus 1523]

Grand King Wulfgar looks between each of the Lords, signing his name at the bottom of the parchment with a large raven feathered quill.

 

"Ah see nay issue wit' t'is."

[Dizzy771 900]

Wat is dis canada?

 

Lord Dizzy Irongrinder downs a bottle of maple syrup before skating over to the document and signing it. He then mounts his battle moose and charges away into the snow covered distance

 

[Jordan1921 373]

Hogarth sat at the council meeting, unsure of whether to sign this new law or not, upon seeing the spectacle of Dizzy's northern homeland come to life he had no choice but to sign such a document. 

[Tethras 278]

Farren shakes his head.

 

"Lord or nae, I'll offer my opinion on this matter. Although it's truly up to you Lords if you heed it. There is a simple problem with this idealistic law, the problem be that it relies too much on trust. We've learnt in the past, that paying someone per elven week for work is not the way. But rather commission, at least for the Workforce and Smithing Guild. After all can you guarantee someone will do some work? How do you monitor this? How do you know they're not lying? You don't, merely going off second hand information. The system should benefit those of merit, those who work get payed. Those who don't, will lose out. Rather than it being for those who dedicate time, after all that is a simple matter. This system encourages laziness to a degree. If we arbitrarily pay all those who belong to our guilds, then our vaults shall be emptied within the span of three elven months. Those who work get payed, those who don't shall miss out. Maybe we should sort out the funding for these guilds first, rather than simply handing all of our minas away.

 

((OOC censorship is bad, power to the people! Viva la opinions! ;) ))

[Zezimus 1523]

Farren shakes his head.

 

"Lord or nae, I'll offer my opinion on this matter. Although it's truly up to you Lords if you heed it. There is a simple problem with this idealistic law, the problem be that it relies too much on trust. We've learnt in the past, that paying someone per elven week for work is not the way. But rather commission, at least for the Workforce and Smithing Guild. After all can you guarantee someone will do some work? How do you monitor this? How do you know they're not lying? You don't, merely going off second hand information. The system should benefit those of merit, those who work get payed. Those who don't, will lose out. Rather than it being for those who dedicate time, after all that is a simple matter. This system encourages laziness to a degree. If we arbitrarily pay all those who belong to our guilds, then our vaults shall be emptied within the span of three elven months. Those who work get payed, those who don't shall miss out. Maybe we should sort out the funding for these guilds first, rather than simply handing all of our minas away.

 

Wulfgar looks towards Farren as he enters into the hall, running his fingers through his beard. He leans back into his throne, before looking directly towards him.

 

"Ye speak ov all t'is in t'e circumstance t'at t'e law forces guild leadahs tu pay lazeh membahs. It dusn't 'owevah 'as it states t'ey mus' furst' perform acceptable work. T'e minimum wage is mereleh t'ere tu ensur' t'at lads ar' nawt bein' undah paid fer duin' gud n' 'onest work. Weh mus' protect t'e roights ov nawt jus' t'e guild leadahs but t'e workahs tu'. T'at is w'y ah feel t'is may well beh necessareh."

[Tethras 278]

Wulfgar looks towards Farren as he enters into the hall, running his fingers through his beard. He leans back into his throne, before looking directly towards him.

 

"Ye speak ov all t'is in t'e circumstance t'at t'e laws forces leadahs tu pay lazeh guild membahs. It dusn't 'owevah 'as it states t'ey mus' furst' perform acceptable work. T'e minimum wage is mereleh t'ere tu ensur' lads ar' nawt bein' undah paid fer duin' gud n' 'onest work."

 

 

 

"Unfortunately, that is not the case in practise. Look at the Legion, members are not payed for doing work. But for merely being apart of it and showing their face around. Those who're lazy can do the minimum amount and still demand pay. This system is clearly flawed, so I ask you youngling how would you resolve such an issue?"

 

((And from the OOC standpoint, the issue we have is active means for the most part being on teamspeak. Also /seen isn't a very good way to check activity due to not showing if they've done work or not. Better to pay people by having them to do work (for example forge a sword) and showing evidance for it. Rather than simply per week. People want to get payed more? They work harder, go out to get more work in the case of smiths and steal clients from other guilds. ))

[Fimlin 1997]

Farren shakes his head.

"Lord or nae, I'll offer my opinion on this matter. Although it's truly up to you Lords if you heed it. There is a simple problem with this idealistic law, the problem be that it relies too much on trust. We've learnt in the past, that paying someone per elven week for work is not the way. But rather commission, at least for the Workforce and Smithing Guild. After all can you guarantee someone will do some work? How do you monitor this? How do you know they're not lying? You don't, merely going off second hand information. The system should benefit those of merit, those who work get payed. Those who don't, will lose out. Rather than it being for those who dedicate time, after all that is a simple matter. This system encourages laziness to a degree. If we arbitrarily pay all those who belong to our guilds, then our vaults shall be emptied within the span of three elven months. Those who work get payed, those who don't shall miss out. Maybe we should sort out the funding for these guilds first, rather than simply handing all of our minas away.

((OOC censorship is bad, power to the people! Viva la opinions! ;) ))

"Ah made sure ah included acceptable wurk en et, yer knuw sumun did t'eir jub went t' quota es filled er t smif shuws 'is wurk t' legion eff said lad foites en say t latest scourge attack but ahm upen tuh 'ow yer fink et shuld guh n' ah 'undred Mina's fer t few Wurkn lads weh 'ave es foine, but unce er population es back up tuh ets guud ol' self weh can change et easileh."

[Fimlin 1997]

"Alsuh Legionwise yer git payed eff yer foite eff nae well..."

((somehow my last post got duped so just did this to clean it up

[Tethras 278]

"We've learned Quota's do not work, why do you think the Workforce changed it's method of payment? And do not think change is so simple, with time everything changes including opinions and Lords. Even the Articles might not stand the test of time. And acceptable? What are the acceptable standards? Unless we have regulation and set standards then the judgement is arbitrary. Better to do it by individual basis, offering people increased pay for doing more work. Rather than having this system that does not encourage the people to compete, to better themselves and the Kingdom. Instead offering complacency, with a stable income that will not change even if they don't work hard. "  

[Fimlin 1997]

"We've learned Quota's do not work, why do you think the Workforce changed it's method of payment? And do not think change is so simple, with time everything changes including opinions and Lords. Even the Articles might not stand the test of time. And acceptable? What are the acceptable standards? Unless we have regulation and set standards then the judgement is arbitrary. Better to do it by individual basis, offering people increased pay for doing more work. Rather than having this system that does not encourage the people to compete, to better themselves and the Kingdom. Instead offering complacency, with a stable income that will not change even if they don't work hard. "

"'Ow er lads supused tuh earn t'eir keep eff nae Minas es given? Cause tats where guilds stand as far as ah see et der is nae prublem fur gettn payed 100minas fur Duin wut yer expected, eff ah lad dusnae duh as ey is excpected tuh ey can get ah lower pay but ets ah minimum wage fur lads whu DU t wurk n arnt payed fer tats wut weh face ere."

[Zezimus 1523]

"Unfortunately, that is not the case in practise. Look at the Legion, members are not payed for doing work. But for merely being apart of it and showing their face around. Those who're lazy can do the minimum amount and still demand pay. This system is clearly flawed, so I ask you youngling how would you resolve such an issue?"

 

((And from the OOC standpoint, the issue we have is active means for the most part being on teamspeak. Also /seen isn't a very good way to check activity due to not showing if they've done work or not. Better to pay people by having them to do work (for example forge a sword) and showing evidance for it. Rather than simply per week. People want to get payed more? They work harder, go out to get more work in the case of smiths and steal clients from other guilds. ))

 

Wulfgar tightens his grip on the throne as he leans forward once again, sharpening his gaze ever slightly.

 

"Younglin'? Iff ye 'ad aneh respect, ye w'ould 'ave learnt by now 'ow tu address t'e Grand King correctleh. 'avin' said t'at, ye brin' up ah gud point but 'un t'at weh may 'ave nay choice 'awn. Iff weh duh nawt 'ave t'is law in place, wut is tu stawp guild leadahs frum refusin' tu pay t'eir workahs n' 'orde t'e moneh t'ey gain? Weh mus' end t'is elitist attitude maneh ov our kin 'ave 'eld t'ese past yers, Farren. Else as ah societeh, 'ow may weh progress? If lads duh gud work, t'ey 'ave ah roight tu pay t'eir taxes, feed n' clothe 'emselves. Nawn ov us 'ave aneh roight tu deny t'at tu 'em. T'at is all t'is law seeks tu achieve. Even undah it, ah guild leadah can refuse tu pay ah lad t'ey dun' feel as dun' gud work. Iff ah workeh feels ill treated n' undah paid 'owevah, t'ey can brin' t'at leadah tu ah court ov Urguan's law. Wut bettah choice duh weh 'ave?"