Regarding The Use Of Harbinger Magic During Battles

[HappyShackles 886]

I humbly request that any sort of magical plugins or use of 'fly' be barred when in battles or raids between nations unless they occur at such a time that it is unavoidable.

 

In several battles, Harbingers, or GM's using other such powers, have entered combat and upset many on both sides by breaking the sense of fairness that the battle should have. 

 

I hope this is not ignorant or uniformed. I will be vehemently persisting with this if I continue to see it, as no one wants their battle to be interrupted by such things.

[Eldritch Lagomoprha 81]

HappyShackles my friend, magical plugins are used by normal soldiers who have taken the time to learn magic, how would you have felt if back in Asulon when we took Salvus they had have stopped half of our soldiers from using their magic in the battle?

[Merkaken 516]

HappyShackles my friend, magical plugins are used by normal soldiers who have taken the time to learn magic, how would you have felt if back in Asulon when we took Salvus they had have stopped half of our soldiers from using their magic in the battle?

He's talking about the antag plugin. To my knowledge, the actual magic plugin for normal players is not out yet.

[Swgrclan 2682]

If a group of Harbingers decides to intervene on one of your battles, so be it. One cannot bar them from using their prime set of tools, and if people are upset that the Scourge manages to slaughter many on either side of the warring forces, then I suppose that's too bad. Dynamism does not halt for the sake of in-character battles, and the official server antagonist follows this example.

[Wolf Druid Ouity 1461]

You may be confused with the antag's passive jump bonus which allows them to hop a block or two higher than a normal player.

[HappyShackles 886]

You may be confused with the antag's passive jump bonus which allows them to hop a block or two higher than a normal player.

I am actually not in at least one case; Zarsies was flying around outside of a dwarven fort throwing potions down on Orenian forces.

 

He's talking about the antag plugin. To my knowledge, the actual magic plugin for normal players is not out yet.

And yes, the antag plugin, my mistake.

 

 

If a group of Harbingers decides to intervene on one of your battles, so be it. One cannot bar them from using their prime set of tools, and if people are upset that the Scourge manages to slaughter many on either side of the warring forces, then I suppose that's too bad. Dynamism does not halt for the sake of in-character battles, and the official server antagonist follows this example.

I actually completely agree, but from what I've seen it seems that those using these abilities can not be trusted to be completely unbiased in their use at least in the case of single engagements; though it is obvious the antagonists are the enemies of all mortal races, I have seen them essentially 'take sides' in certain battles. While I would never presume that any member of the event team is purposefully promoting the success of another race for OOC reasons, I simply can't see why a Harbinger would want one side to win moreso than they would like the other.

 

Edit: The involvement of the Event Team in player-based events is counter-productive. Conflict creates roleplay. If you have ever studied the structure of a narrative, you know this. The Event Team exists to create conflict where it does not exist, not complicate conflict where it does.

[Lago 2572]

GMs shouldn't be using it. Harbingers, well, if you've recruited Harbingers to your side then you pay for your extra power with the enemity of the other nations.

That being said, it's a bit off for the Harbingers to fight for a side they haven't made an evil alliance with. That seems a little... OOC?

 

how would you have felt if back in Asulon when we took Salvus they had have stopped half of our soldiers from using their magic in the battle?

We didn't have a magic plugin back then. Outside of the two Antagonist/Antiantagonist pairs we've never had a magic plugin save one about three people had access two in mid-Anthos.

 

 

As a general note, I continue to be astounded by how in LotC war people still try to cheat in full knowledge that A: they will be caught, and B: the whole war will just descend into an OOC drama fest if they do, sapping everyone's fun out of it including their own. Come on guys, play it straight for once and follow the damn rules your leaders set out to stop this happening.

[Jistuma 1996]

GMs shouldn't be using it. Harbingers, well, if you've recruited Harbingers to your side then you pay for your extra power with the enemity of the other nations.

That being said, it's a bit off for the Harbingers to fight for a side they haven't made an evil alliance with. That seems a little... OOC?

 

We didn't have a magic plugin back then. Outside of the two Antagonist/Antiantagonist pairs we've never had a magic plugin save one about three people had access two in mid-Anthos.

Actually one of the best tactics that Harbingers have is making other nations think someone else is allied with the Scourge. If they are or not, and if they really made an allience, who knows, that's to be left for roleplay.

[iTzShambo 135]

My Antag fought in the skirmish yesterday as he was attacked by orcs and dwarves as he was walking by yesterday but I'm not using it other wise now.

[Swgrclan 2682]

I am actually not in at least one case; Zarsies was flying around outside of a dwarven fort throwing potions down on Orenian forces.

 

And yes, the antag plugin, my mistake.

 

 

I actually completely agree, but from what I've seen it seems that those using these abilities can not be trusted to be completely unbiased in their use at least in the case of single engagements; though it is obvious the antagonists are the enemies of all mortal races, I have seen them essentially 'take sides' in certain battles. While I would never presume that any member of the event team is purposefully promoting the success of another race for OOC reasons, I simply can't see why a Harbinger would want one side to win moreso than they would like the other.

 

Edit: The involvement of the Event Team in player-based events is counter-productive. Conflict creates roleplay. If you have ever studied the structure of a narrative, you know this. The Event Team exists to create conflict where it does not exist, not complicate conflict where it does.

 

Actually one of the best tactics that Harbingers have is making other nations think someone else is allied with the Scourge. If they are or not, and if they really made an alliance, who knows, that's to be left for role-play.

 

 

Jistuma's point is a good one. If Harbingers appear to be assisting one side without a definitive "evil alliance" having been known about, it's most-likely a confusion tactic to rile the warring forces up - and I do believe it had been a successful stratagem beforehand.

[Jistuma 1996]

Wait, another thing... Fly? That's not Harbinger plugin. Potion throwing? That's not harbinger plugin as well....

 

Are you talking about the spells the Harbingers do or of something else?

[Lago 2572]

Actually one of the best tactics that Harbingers have is making other nations think someone else is allied with the Scourge. If they are or not, and if they really made an allience, who knows, that's to be left for roleplay.

 

Can you ensure that that isn't used as a front to fight for the nation one supports OOC? Personally, I think you should stop using this tactic. It spreads the wrong sort of discord: the OOC kind.

Exhibit A: This thread.

[mmat 7460]

I would've appreciated it if Zarsies had not followed me and Kebab around last night blinding us with a nether star whilst we were fighting.

[Campor 28]

What Jistuma said.

 

Here's the thing, you said it yourself- The Harbingers are the enemy of everyone. What better way to wipe out everyone than to have them wipe out each other? "Oh, the Humans of Oren have allied with the Scourge?! Kill them all! Team up and wipe them out!" "But wait, we've seen the Scourge aid the Dwarves! You are liars and heathens and must be destroyed!"

 

Meanwhile, the Scourge does their thing and then pulls back. They reserve the survivability of their forces and let everyone weaken each other until they can just swoop in and devour the remains like evil darky-dark scavengers. War for them is the absolute epitome of tactical success. I guarantee you that it's better for them to fight for one side or another and keep the wars going. They won't win a war for any faction. Instead, they'll keep pushing it back and forth if they can to make it so they wear each other down and erode their resources.

 

It's tactical, and it's an awesome third party affair that makes war more than just straight up battles. It makes it a tactical field and a political warzone just as much.

[Zezimus 1523]

The antagonists do get a bit annoying when they intervene in skirmishes but I suppose I can understand the RP reasoning. I don't think they should be permitted to take part in battles however, particularly when you might have Harbingers attacking one side over the other.