Clerical Clarification

[Cyndikate 2303]

 

Necromancers

To my understanding, Necromancers are living things like everyone else. So it's possible to heal them normally.

 

 

Shade - Not really sure on Shade, but probably it would be somewhat like Scourge born. They have an unnatural taint in them, but they are still mortal. Healing magic would harm them, but the healing effect would happen as well.

Holy Magic will hurt a shade,

[Swgrclan 2682]

Healing does not have any negative side effects to dark creatures or beings beyond irritation or faint pain, as wardog confirmed. Healing is healing, if it was classified as a multi-purpose tool or a power with several different characteristics besides mending, it would be called such.

[ski_king3 0]

The lore team and the magic team (when it was still a thing, would disagree with that. Healing will still hurt unholy or unnatural beings, as the LM's have clarified.

[Lago 2572]

Before this turns into a forum fight, Holy Magic and Healing are not the same thing. Holy Magic is everything Holy Magic, and Healing is a specific ability of it.

 

Holy magic certainly harms all of the above. Clerical's an aengul-based magic though, you're not handling raw power to mould as you wish as you do with Void, your magic is somewhat more Vancian in that you can use specific abilities granted by the aengul.

 

Healing can't really be used in a fight. You can't heal someone you're fighting against and thus logically you can't unheal someone you're fighting against: to use healing to harm in any way would require them to already be at your mercy.
Healing can't heal the impure (in a Clerical sense, not a High Elven one) and it would probably harm any unholy or unnatural creature you attempted to heal. If someone had some anime-style alchemical animal parts grafted onto them for example, holy healing would probably kill those unnatural parts as it kills disease and other foreign bodies. If you tried to heal a ghoul you'd either fail or end up damaging the ghoul. Given you could just decapitate its helpless form at that point that's not particularly useful. Any harm through Holy Healing is almost always unintentional.

 

That being said, I think we need to do a generalised update of the whole thing: Clerical is still very much working on the MAT system.

[ski_king3 0]

Hey Lago, if you have said discussion outside of just the Lore Team, I'd love to be included.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

Before this turns into a forum fight, Holy Magic and Healing are not the same thing. Holy Magic is everything Holy Magic, and Healing is a specific ability of it.

 

Correct, as was stated.

 

Healing is healing, it is not battle-oriented magic.

 

War cleric magic involves just utter destruction, thus a far safer manner to dispose of dark entities.

 

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Holy magic certainly harms all of the above. Clerical's an aengul-based magic though, you're not handling raw power to mould as you wish as you do with Void, your magic is somewhat more Vancian in that you can use specific abilities granted by the aengul.

 

This is, technically, incorrect. 

 

Basic Understandings:

The Clerical Order was founded during the Blight of the Undead during Aegis. Its purpose meant to heal what was left in the wake of destruction, and destroy what caused the chaos in the first place. The energies used to heal and cleanse are also able to purify and vanquish. This is the power of a War Cleric.

 

How War Cleric Spells Work:

 

War cleric magic is comprised of the same energy used to heal, it is simply manipulated by the caster themselves in a much more raw, somewhat unstable form in comparison to healing’s extremely stable state, for use in combat.

 

With this established and for reasons that may become further evident in the future, a war cleric’s capabilities are only able to be harnessed, if one has been, or is, within the Clerical Order itself.

 

Clerical magic is Vancian because unlike other forms of magic, there are actually methods and practices that have been passed down from generation to generation. Just like any style of fighting being passed down within whatever gym or dojo it's taught in. You learn the best methods for dispatching dark entities as ancestral clerics had done so before your own character.

 

It's not Vancian because we're following MAT guidelines or whatever else, it's Vancian because the Clerical Order is among the top 3 oldest magical orders within LotC, the others being the Mage's Guild and the Druidic Order. It's also extremely different from the other orders because unlike the other two, it doesn't rely on experiments nor building enormous trees, it revolves around killing dark entities and killing them as efficiently as possible, also healing the wounded as efficiently as possible. The Clerical Order revolves around efficiency, thus the traditional spells that seem to be the most effective. Minor changes have occurred over time as the clerics have had to adapt, this is evident to anyone who closely watches them.

 

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Healing can't really be used in a fight. You can't heal someone you're fighting against and thus logically you can't unheal someone you're fighting against: to use healing to harm in any way would require them to already be at your mercy.

Healing can't heal the impure (in a Clerical sense, not a High Elven one) and it would probably harm any unholy or unnatural creature you attempted to heal. If someone had some anime-style alchemical animal parts grafted onto them for example, holy healing would probably kill those unnatural parts as it kills disease and other foreign bodies. If you tried to heal a ghoul you'd either fail or end up damaging the ghoul. Given you could just decapitate its helpless form at that point that's not particularly useful. Any harm through Holy Healing is almost always unintentional.

 

Correct, as was said.

 

A cleric is required to be relatively skilled in order to remove even moderate deposits of taint within a neutral being. Using it to harm a dark entity is effectively trying to heal all of that taint within the being. It would consequently kill anyone who did such a thing if they were even able to 'heal' a dark entity for that long.

 

Healing taint and destroying it is different from just straight up blasting it away. You need to safely remove it from the individual.

 

Healers cannot kill with healing, period, it doesn't matter what form the threat appears in.

 

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That being said, I think we need to do a generalised update of the whole thing: Clerical is still very much working on the MAT system.

 

Please contact me in Skype if you intend to make any further changes/surprises to clerical magic.

[Lago 2572]

Don't worry, we're not about to develop some wildly divergent stuff in some hidden corner without telling anyone and suddenly spring it on everyone.

[Merkaken 516]

I would imagine Wraiths are affected by this, correct? Unless they are categorized as spectrals.

[Swgrclan 2682]

Wraiths are bothered by light a healing spell may create, but nothing but a slight, irritating pain comes from the effect itself.

[Shaeles 1]

Wraiths are bothered by light a healing spell may create, but nothing but a slight, irritating pain comes from the effect itself.

 

Erm... That seems kind of powergamey... Why would they only feel a slight pain?

[Swgrclan 2682]

A healing spell cannot heal something that is neither alive nor dead. While Wraiths do produce taint, a healing spell cannot harm them as effectively as the other Clerical spells can. It is used for mending, after all, not tearing away unholy energy as much as holy fire or orbs of light can.

[Lago 2572]

Erm... That seems kind of powergamey... Why would they only feel a slight pain?

 

Because a Healing Spell isn't going to obliterate them.

[Jistuma 1996]

Mhh... Not a roleplay idea, please next time use the lore Q/A for things like this. Check Cleric guide for more information -

https://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/110634-war-cleric-guide-update/

https://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/110635-priest-healing-guide-update/

 

Moving to Complete Support.

[susitsu 871]

Just going to mention that you are all bad at wording.

 

"Pain" is the phrase you are looking for. No harm.