Urahra 5777 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Of course, Orc Vinci wouldn't be designing flying machines. He'd be designing automated Halfling crushers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexperiments 18 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Of course, Orc Vinci wouldn't be designing flying machines. He'd be designing automated Halfling crushers. Mind = blown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urahra 5777 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I am half considering becoming an orcish warrior poet. Of course, Urara in character doesn't read or write very well, so I guess my dream of slaughtering dwarves and writing lengthy lyric verses about the color of their organs is doomed. *EDIT - OH WAIT. I HAVE AN ON TOPIC QUESTION. So what...exactly...is the difference between a wife and a life mate, again? From what I have heard, an orc can have multiple life mates if there's no issue. Is this true? Or is it that you can have one life mate and multiple temporary mates? The way I've interpreted it, orcs aren't usually monogamous, even with life mates. But then again, based on what I've heard, humans in Aegis aren't very monogamous either. :| Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noahjam325 53 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Orcs are not the most romantic creatures, they breed out of a need to procreate. It's natural instinct. I'm probably going to get some hate for this, but marriage is kind of a superficial thing. You sign some paper and say you'll be with the person forever, but it can be broken very easily. Marriage just isn't that sacred. A life mate is an orc going against their natural instinct of having as many mates as possible (genetic diversity) to pick one female/male. That means that the specific orc thinks this 1 orc is so amazing that their children will be stronger than having dozens of different children. Natural instinct says to have as many different mates as possible for the highest chance of genetic mutations, more children, etc.. Orcs that choose to be life mates think they are so freakishly amazing that they would be wasting their time by having multiple standard mates. It also doesn't tie into a legal system. Marriage is also a legal agreement on how property is shared. Mates don't have this. Mates/Life Mates share because they want to, not because their government says they do. If your mate/life mate dies you don't get all of their stuff. I imagine other orcs would come to try and scavenge the remains the dead orc left behind, and the mate/life mate would have to fight to keep them. But more than anything else, mates/life mates is not some sort of official system. It's just a general guideline for orc culture. For instance I imagine some orcs would have 1 life mate, and a bunch of lesser mates. In their minds the 2 life mates are producing "super children" while they go off and have other mates for "fodder children." Because their is no set laws about mating or life mating, it's mostly up to the individual partners to decide. That's another thing that separate it from marriage. It's natural for humans to just pair up and make families. Orcish natural instinct is to have has many mates as possible. Life mating is going against an orcs natural desire to have multiple mates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sultan 3953 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Orcs are not the most romantic creatures, they breed out of a need to procreate. It's natural instinct. I'm probably going to get some hate for this, but marriage is kind of a superficial thing. You sign some paper and say you'll be with the person forever, but it can be broken very easily. Marriage just isn't that sacred. A life mate is an orc going against their natural instinct of having as many mates as possible (genetic diversity) to pick one female/male. That means that the specific orc thinks this 1 orc is so amazing that their children will be stronger than having dozens of different children. Natural instinct says to have as many different mates as possible for the highest chance of genetic mutations, more children, etc.. Orcs that choose to be life mates think they are so freakishly amazing that they would be wasting their time by having multiple standard mates. It also doesn't tie into a legal system. Marriage is also a legal agreement on how property is shared. Mates don't have this. Mates/Life Mates share because they want to, not because their government says they do. If your mate/life mate dies you don't get all of their stuff. I imagine other orcs would come to try and scavenge the remains the dead orc left behind, and the mate/life mate would have to fight to keep them. But more than anything else, mates/life mates is not some sort of official system. It's just a general guideline for orc culture. For instance I imagine some orcs would have 1 life mate, and a bunch of lesser mates. In their minds the 2 life mates are producing "super children" while they go off and have other mates for "fodder children." Because their is no set laws about mating or life mating, it's mostly up to the individual partners to decide. That's another thing that separate it from marriage. It's natural for humans to just pair up and make families. Orcish natural instinct is to have has many mates as possible. Life mating is going against an orcs natural desire to have multiple mates. +1 to this :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondoggy 27 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Great update Gragarn. I remember you talking about this yesterday in TS. I especially like how you point out how it just comes "naturally" and doesn't follow any form of legal or religious system like how marriage is-both of which i feel should not be involved in Orc affairs. Our "system" is nothing more than the traditions that have been shown most honorable and practical to the Orcs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urahra 5777 Share Posted October 1, 2011 All right, then. That's clear. It's just that we've been drawing direct parallels to marriage (see the subtitle for this very thread - "What's an orc wedding like?") and some people here and there have been calling Loth Mogroka's "wife". It's been getting sort of muddled in my head. I still think other orcs would regard Gragarn as crazy to choose a life mate who is infertile, though. Not to mention the fact that they are monogamous with each other. Even Urara thinks he's sort of crazy (she encouraged him to take more than one mate because she couldn't give him a child; he said no). According to your description, taking a mate/life mate still centers around procreation and has nothing to do with affection (though affection can be a feature). Even though Urara is very strong and has a high status among orcs, she would be completely undesirable as a mate or life mate because she simply can't produce offspring. Other orcs would probably see Gragarn with her and think he's completely crazy for not only choosing an infertile life mate, but choosing to mate with her and only her. But of course, you have the argument that status trumps blood/physical condition. Urara and Gragarn's status would be such that they can do pretty much whatever they want. And, if they adopted a child, that child would be considered strong simply by being associated with two strong orcs. But that probably wouldn't stop other orcs from thinking they're crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blawharag 277 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 I remember Mogroka saying something to the effect of: Orcs have no issues against taking multiple lifemates, but you must be increasingly powerful to have multiple. So Orcs arent monogamous but rather a very different system from what we are all used to thinking off in our culture. Beyond that I dont see there being much of an issue between multiple lifemates of the same person. In fact I view the culture as being one where the multitude of lifemates of one individual are proud of the individual because he/she is strong enough to have more than one. They would probably view their counterparts as symbols of strength rather than with jealousy. This makes for a very unique cultural backdrop in comparison to what most are generally comfortable with seeing. Of course there can always be exceptions to the rule, just because society in general doesn't see reason to take up jealousy with another lifemate doesn't mean an individual wont take issue with it. Especially with the increasing favor being offered to the other races (as a result of needing to form common alliances against the undead) it is easy to see where parts of their culture could leak into Orcish ways and cause change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urahra 5777 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Did he mean powerful as in physically powerful or powerful as in higher status? But...considering orcs, those things are basically the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sultan 3953 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Did he mean powerful as in physically powerful or powerful as in higher status? But...considering orcs, those things are basically the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Lud 1260 Share Posted January 27, 2012 ((I just wanted to bump this topic as a reminder to our newer players why an orc generally wouldn't strive to mate with a two-and-a-half-foot-tall orc/halfling. You also generally wouldn't be going after the Warlord's prepubescent daughters. Not only are all of these unfit for child-rearing, but there is no challenge here, nothing to achieve or prove. All you would be proving to your fellow orcs is that you're an eight-foot monster that has to beat up on snaga and cubs to procreate. Your mates would likely die in child-birth, produce runt offspring and be unable to protect themselves during the pregnancy and early years of the cub's life. Keep this in mind when heckling the ladies. You're bringing dishonor on yourself and your clan when you do this. Even as a general mate, some might argue that you're spilling your seed in vain and condemning your bastards to death or worse, weakness.)) ((Here is an example of a fine, orcish lass:)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jutra 51 Share Posted January 27, 2012 If you really want a mate - don't try to get her in one RL night! Remember getting a life mate is a big huge deal it's not a girlfriend (or boyfriend) it's for LIFE! Take it seriously in the game - get to know the orc, find out if they are strong enough to be your mate. Try making yourself strong in thier eyes. Ways to show strength: win arena battles go on successful raids go to the battles show strength around your intended. I remember Pok getting rid of an Obsidian block that had been used to get onto Jutra's homestead on the old map with his bare fists. Now if that isn't a show of strength I dunno what is. Unforunatley Pok went on to kill then sale for food, Jutra's whole adopted family that lived in Dunwood. Whatever bonus points Pok gained in Jutra's eye from punching that block were lost along with her whole family. So yeah - show strength but also some consideration when trying to woo a feorc. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craotor 617 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ned dont show that fine lass to bog or hell freak out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blawharag 277 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Fine lass? She has no arms man! How is she supposed to klomp without arms! Unless... if she IS successfully klompin people without arms... now that is a DAMN fine orcish lass. Blawharag will mate with her just to see what her armed (pun) offspring are capable of doing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecoLamb 959 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Blaw her arms are folded over her chest silly... thats the goddess of wilindorf, a symbol of fertility and childbirth. I dont really think shes a good example of what an orc wants, because a woman like that wouldnt be a real fighter. She could probably kick your ass if you messed with her or her brood, but she wouldnt be going on bloodlusted raids. Wilindorf is more dwarven or human form. Orcs would probably prefer Diane or Athena, or my personal favorite, Scathach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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