Babehab 386 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 minute ago, drfate786 said: Why do guns and rifles belong in a medieval fantasy setting? Could anyone elaborate? If you can't, then it's because they don't belong. We have massive siege machines that are effectively sci-fi laser guns and you're upset about wands shaped like firearms? 1 minute ago, _Jandy_ said: If my character can use a "wand" without ever learning magic there is an issue. Remove them. You can do that with normal wands, nobody had a problem with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfate786 1690 Share Posted January 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Cpt_Aehab said: We have massive siege machines that are effectively sci-fi laser guns and you're upset about wands shaped like firearms? You can do that with normal wands, nobody had a problem with that. The difference is that these siege machines belong in a fantasy setting, magical guns don't. They're also not realistic ballistics-wise, early muskets were primitive and inaccurate, people still preferred crossbows and longbows over the musket due to it's lack of accuracy. They also had a tendency to blow up in the user's face if they put in too much gun powder. The same should be true for magic "wands" that resemble muskets. They should backfire and be incredibly inaccurate at long ranges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babehab 386 Share Posted January 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, drfate786 said: The difference is that these siege machines belong in a fantasy setting, magical guns don't. They're also not realistic ballistics-wise, early muskets were primitive and inaccurate, people still preferred crossbows and longbows over the musket due to it's lack of accuracy. They also had a tendency to blow up in the user's face if they put in too much gun powder. The same should be true for magic "wands" that resemble muskets. They should backfire and be incredibly inaccurate at long ranges. So how does a giant laser gun fit in a fantasy setting, but not a magical pistol/rifle? I'm confused. Why does a magic wand need to follow the physics of a lead ball, let alone blow up in a user's face? That's not how offensive enchantments work. My MAIN gripe with magic guns is that they're restricted to Voidal Mages. It's incredibly unfair to pretty much everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag 3234 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just because a portion RPs like it's the medieval times doesn't necessarily glue the theme of LOTC to medieval fantasy. It's a fantasy server with a collective storytelling aspect which means there are many many themes on LOTC. One of those themes is magic that is so ingrained into the world that it justifies itself as science. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babehab 386 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Sir K Andruske said: Just because a portion RPs like it's the medieval times doesn't necessarily glue the theme of LOTC to medieval fantasy. It's a fantasy server with a collective storytelling aspect which means there are many many themes on LOTC. One of those themes is magic that is so ingrained into the world that it justifies itself as science. Damn straight, brother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Cpt_Aehab said: Damn straight, brother. Hey Im not the only one who gets this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfate786 1690 Share Posted January 6, 2017 36 minutes ago, Cpt_Aehab said: So how does a giant laser gun fit in a fantasy setting, but not a magical pistol/rifle? I'm confused. Why does a magic wand need to follow the physics of a lead ball, let alone blow up in a user's face? That's not how offensive enchantments work. My MAIN gripe with magic guns is that they're restricted to Voidal Mages. It's incredibly unfair to pretty much everyone else. They need to follow the physics of a lead ball and blow up in the users face so the mage can't just run across Johannesburg and RP kill every single guard. It's pretty OP and needs a set of weaknesses, also, magic guns that function off of runes instead of mana could replace magic wands in the case of descendants. Another alternative is to actually invent muskets and flintlocks as we have gunpowder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babehab 386 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, drfate786 said: They need to follow the physics of a lead ball and blow up in the users face so the mage can't just run across Johannesburg and RP kill every single guard. It's pretty OP and needs a set of weaknesses, also, magic guns that function off of runes instead of mana could replace magic wands in the case of descendants. Another alternative is to actually invent muskets and flintlocks as we have gunpowder. You do realize magic guns aren't rapid fire, right? You can't run into Jberg and gun down every single guard because it takes as long to cast through a magic gun as it does to just cast a normal spell. Next time you decide to argue about something please be sure to actually read the lore first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted January 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, drfate786 said: They need to follow the physics of a lead ball and blow up in the users face so the mage can't just run across Johannesburg and RP kill every single guard. It's pretty OP and needs a set of weaknesses, also, magic guns that function off of runes instead of mana could replace magic wands in the case of descendants. Another alternative is to actually invent muskets and flintlocks as we have gunpowder. I agree. I agree... muskets pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfate786 1690 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Cpt_Aehab said: You do realize magic guns aren't rapid fire, right? You can't run into Jberg and gun down every single guard because it takes as long to cast through a magic gun as it does to just cast a normal spell. Next time you decide to argue about something please be sure to actually read the lore first. The issue with what you're saying is that people are dumb, if they can thin the line they will. It's already happened and will continue to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babehab 386 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, drfate786 said: The issue with what you're saying is that people are dumb, if they can thin the line they will. It's already happened and will continue to happen. And how would it be any different if you wrote lore for runic or black powder weaponry? I do agree that if there's going to be firearms they shouldn't be reserved just for voidal mages, but no matter where it comes from it needs a clear guide so people don't abuse it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Cpt_Aehab said: And how would it be any different if you wrote lore for runic or black powder weaponry? I do agree that if there's going to be firearms they shouldn't be reserved just for voidal mages, but no matter where it comes from it needs a clear guide so people don't abuse it. Well with the current lore You need a high tiered mage to make the gun, enchant it and load it. I'd like to see firearms such as blackpowder but with an application to use them and a blacklist for abusers. Something non mages can utilize and create on their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfate786 1690 Share Posted January 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Cpt_Aehab said: And how would it be any different if you wrote lore for runic or black powder weaponry? I do agree that if there's going to be firearms they shouldn't be reserved just for voidal mages, but no matter where it comes from it needs a clear guide so people don't abuse it. If I wrote lore for such weapons I would also close the doors for any further advancement and I would even place red lines so people can't thin the lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 minute ago, drfate786 said: If I wrote lore for such weapons I would also close the doors for any further advancement and I would even place red lines so people can't thin the lines. Post the lore then m8 why not. If we got magic guns for mages, dwarves get rune guns let us have black powder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babehab 386 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, Taketheshot said: Well with the current lore You need a high tiered mage to make the gun, enchant it and load it. I'd like to see firearms such as blackpowder but with an application to use them and a blacklist for abusers. I think if there's any technological advancement in LotC it shouldn't be a carbon copy of real life devices, that's boring and predictable. Firearms your average joe can use? Yes. Should he have to be properly taught how to use it first? Yes. Should it be black powder? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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