Rule Additions - General Rules

[Sky 0]

Just now, Jistuma said:

Not always. Many times they are just forgotten to be removed, or added to the region to help with other things, and other times it's like GMs added.

If they were forgotten to be removed, that's the role-play (primary region owner's) fault then, and that's the same with the GM's added.

[Jistuma 1996]

1 minute ago, Sky said:

If they were forgotten to be removed, that's the role-play (primary region owner's) fault then, and that's the same with the GM's added.

Yes, but it still is a problem of OOC region owners having same power or more power than the RP owner.

[Naj 545]

Im with Jistuma here.

[Sky 0]

1 hour ago, Jistuma said:

Yes, but it still is a problem of OOC region owners having same power or more power than the RP owner.

The nation leader who is the role-play leader who is the role-play owner, is the primary region owner which means, no one has more power than them within their region unless they are under another region. Please cite me a region where the owner is purely an OOC owner and has more power than their RP owner bretheren.

[Destroyer_Bravo 1054]

so I got gassed off my subregion so do I get a retroactive 3 days notice?

[Jistuma 1996]

35 minutes ago, Sky said:

The nation leader who is the role-play leader who is the role-play owner, is the primary region owner which means, no one has more power than them within their region unless they are under another region. Please cite me a region where the owner is purely an OOC owner and has more power than their RP owner bretheren.

Arteh with the region snipe thingy? Any king? Any nation leader with ownership in a town? Even if a nation leader has more 'power' he actually has zero power over a town that is rulled under a subject of his.

 

Also, even rp power is a bit debatable, since if no one actually follows their commands, they have no real power. 

[AGP 3169]

@Jistuma Keep in mind the most recent addition to the rules page posted by 501warhead says that from hence forth the person who can be considered rply in control of a region is always the primary region owner.

[Sky 0]

2 minutes ago, Jistuma said:

Arteh with the region snipe thingy? Any king? Any nation leader with ownership in a town? Even if a nation leader has more 'power' he actually has zero power over a town that is rulled under a subject of his.

 

Also, even rp power is a bit debatable, since if no one actually follows their commands, they have no real power. 

Arteh's situation was after-the-math. Any king? So you're saying the kings are OOC owners? That's dumb, kings are role-play owners haha. Nation leader ownership in a town? You mean, cause they are the ... Liege lord? So the boss of your boss? You've given me no citations of an OOC region owner, literally you gave me role-play owners.

[Jistuma 1996]

Just now, Sky said:

Arteh's situation was after-the-math. Any king? So you're saying the kings are OOC owners? That's dumb, kings are role-play owners haha. Nation leader ownership in a town? You mean, cause they are the ... Liege lord? So the boss of your boss? You've given me no citations of an OOC region owner, literally you gave me role-play owners.

A nation leader is a pretty good one since a nation leader actually should have no power over a town (unless he's the one in charge of the capital or something alike), it would be for the mayor/prince/council/what have you, to lead the town, and the nation leader to lead... the nation. So while he should have power to try and remove people from leadership positions and command things to be done, he shouldn't have the power to remove or add people from perms of a town he doesn't go to (for example). Truth be told, a nation leader that doesn't really lead a town, shouldn't be a region owner.

 

6 minutes ago, AGiantPie said:

@Jistuma Keep in mind the most recent addition to the rules page posted by 501warhead says that from hence forth the person who can be considered rply in control of a region is always the primary region owner.

 

I read that rule in the reverse. Instead of it being "rp leaders are region owners" I read it as "region owners are rp leaders." That's much better though, but still think there should be no 'primary' region owner. Region ownership is an OOC thing, it should be kept out of RP.

[Sky 0]

13 minutes ago, Jistuma said:

A nation leader is a pretty good one since a nation leader actually should have no power over a town (unless he's the one in charge of the capital or something alike), it would be for the mayor/prince/council/what have you, to lead the town, and the nation leader to lead... the nation. So while he should have power to try and remove people from leadership positions and command things to be done, he shouldn't have the power to remove or add people from perms of a town he doesn't go to (for example). Truth be told, a nation leader that doesn't really lead a town, shouldn't be a region owner.

 

 

I read that rule in the reverse. Instead of it being "rp leaders are region owners" I read it as "region owners are rp leaders." That's much better though, but still think there should be no 'primary' region owner. Region ownership is an OOC thing, it should be kept out of RP.

This is my final response to you because it's not getting through to you.

 

If a city is under a nation, then the leader of that nation is defacto leader above the city leader.

 

Why?

 

Simple. The land is in his land, in his nation and he leads the nation.

 

It's not hard to understand, and it's not out of character either.

 

. . .

[Jistuma 1996]

5 minutes ago, Sky said:

This is my final response to you because it's not getting through to you.

 

If a city is under a nation, then the leader of that nation is defacto leader above the city leader.

 

Why?

 

Simple. The land is in his land, in his nation and he leads the nation.

 

It's not hard to understand, and it's not out of character either.

 

. . .

Well, it's not like that. A nation leader is in charge of a nation, but each town has it's own leadership. As I said, they have some power (removing leaders or making commands), but if the leader of the town says no... well... you have to war him. On the other hand if a town leader tells a resident to screw off... he has more power. On the other hand, still an OOC thing, because while the leader of a town may tell a person to screw off of a town, the person can say no. Unless the leader has guards to help him, and actually kick him out by force (if it so comes to it), then he should really have no power to remove him. Problem is this goes to OOC in terms of region perms, and locks. So again I say, region ownership are an OOC thing, and should be kept seperate from rp, or follow it directly.

[Lechian Lord 1027]

6 hours ago, Tahmas said:

If it's, in RP, under Lorraine then yes. Sometimes the regions borders don't get extended.

So if in rp it isnt they cant take it without a warclaim then?

[Rusty Derringer 1182]

GOD DAMN IT TAHMAS... POSTED THIS LIKE A DAY TOO LATE!!!!