ON THE PLAGUED HAESEN

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6 hours ago, yopplwasupxxx said:

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You pulled one thing (the humours) out of the 10,000s of words I wrote over it. Very nice. I am not shaming you for coming up with something when you are 15 but to say “hur hur hur its not original” is very, VERY hypocritical. Have I ever written a 25 page document about why Haense should not be conquered? Go find me where I have ever done that, and I will concede- perhaps the current Haeseni do that, but that is something I do not support or condone, nor do I plan on it.

 

 

Yes, yes, everyone pulls up mog and says “he did this therefore it is the way the empire should be done.” No, it is not. First Empire, despite most people thinking otherwise, was not unified through blatant war (though there was some wars here or there) but a lot of it through mutual cooperation. Renatus, on the other hand, did go out of its way to conquer and that is the sole reason why I, a poet RPer, was able to get so many people. Why? Perhaps it is became conquering everyone and killing them is not the way to go? When you force people to submit (like your own group, for example) it creates a toxic environment between the conqueror and the conqueree. Look at all the shittalking people did when Seahelm got conquered, some of which I did participate in. I see now that this mentality, however, this wanting to put one above one another, only exacerbates the issue- yeah mog was strong when you conquered everyone but moment he left all the people that got conquered rose up, contributing to a cycle of distrust amongst eachother. I resent myself for wroughting this belief of strength over cooperation and ruling over serving, and ultimately humanity will never be fixed unless you see it the same way. The only true success of humanity can come when we can stop causing coalition wars every 2 months to solve our internal issues.

 

While yes, the war you claim was started via RP and that this is because of the Auvergenian incident, the fact is I have seen so little of that on the forums as the reasoning but rather this borderline-petty “hur hur hur haense is SICK” or for the empire, “hur hurhur sufonia is GYPSIES”. I do not know what alty did and that is beyond my personal pay-grade, but I will take your word on that regard. However, while the war may have been started in RP, your method in approaching it (OOC shitslinging) is what I most heavily condemn. Why can’t we have a war where we aren’t making all these threads as jabs to one another?

 

Resolve the conflict, sure, but don’t actively platform these OOC attacks then wonder why all these people think its an OOC clique war. Fight the war, sure, but don’t actively sponsor factionalism and PVP elitism.

 

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So after reading this whole argument you both have your points and I agree with both, as the after battle posts I could see be a bit tiresome to a lot of people. I guess where my question comes in, is that everything on this forum is to be interpreted by the characters on LOTC as papers that are handed out to the cities or empires of the respective forum group it is posted in. These forum posts are just propaganda for either side. After a side wins a battle they write a paper about how their side courageously defeated the enemy. That’s legit all these are. Now from the standpoint of a famous author or whatever you seem to play on LOTC its completely fine that you might hate these are written, as to you they may come across as sloppy or forced. These are reactions that are fine when it comes to being your character. In real life reports of battle are always glorified for the winning team, whether it be through headlines of news reports or interviews with commanders, and honestly is your not posting propaganda your kind of messing up. If you only hear from the enemy newspaper or writers that your empire is being slaughtered you would be a little bit worried, so your side will do the same. I only ask that rather than call these “OOC **** slinging posts” you see them as a side who is drastically outnumbered and winning battles aganist who they think to be an evil empire, something that they are proud of and writing about. So sure it may come across as scummy to the Oren Empire, though shouldn’t it......