hail and greetings Dwarven community

[Decks of the Black Axe 3]

((And even in character... if youre greedy and don't like them, having them on the outskirts would still allow you to make money selling them the trees, and having them contribute to the economy... Plus you get the added bonus of having them take the first blows of any attacks. Seems like the perfect in character solution as well, no?))

[williewonka01 45]

((Ask me in character. And out of character tree homes for dwarfs do not fit the lore in my opinion.))

[Petyr 485]

((Perhaps one problem we are running into is that LotC dwarves are not the same as dwarves from every other game. Like it or not, tree dwarves exist, and the concept of dwarves living in trees is the lore.))

[Decks of the Black Axe 3]

((I'm not a tree dwarf, nor do I care about the tree dwarves in general(in character,) so why would I ask you in character? I'm just trying to come up with solutions that benefit both sides so we don't enter the new map with a civil war on our hands.))

[VonEbs 1224]

This thread is about solving a problem that is very real and needs to be addressed. The mentality adapt or leave is not very mature. This is for discussing options. I noticed you have a district off the scholarly district that you don't have a use for, why not turn it into an underground forest for the forest dwarfs in your city. And cave dwarfs are the only species that live underground all the time, mountain dwarfs live on mountains, not under them. Some cave dwarfs are making decisions for the entire species, not taking into consideration other people's opinions.

[williewonka01 45]

((The only reason I said it ooc is so people would know I like the idea but not in character. Then do not ask me in character but I Willie do not have an objection. So why are you asking me out of character. Algrim does not want an elven made district because he does not want the elfs to make minas off of dwarfs. Because I have only seen one Forrest elf I know in the end even cave dwarfs would maybe buy one there. Then going with Alras, two other nations would have districts for dwarfs. Makes sense already dealing with population issues to have two districts for dwarfs elsewhere. Along with that, I know what you all are coming from. But face it no one spends much time in Kal'Urguan I do not want to add even more homes to take away from that. We have homes above ground. I have never seen elfs live in a home/tree. Correct me if I am wrong I have been to lauraline once. We also have no space underground to build tree based homes.

[williewonka01 45]

The scholarly district is for the release of magic. So much work was put into that, not by me but by other council members. I would never tear it down.

[Durzio 29]

((In all honesty I like the idea. But in character I do not. I do not want dwarfs living with elfs. I do not want the elfs to make minas for housing dwarfs. In character we do not even have a treaty with the elfs so how does a shared district make sense. Do remember we are not supposed to make railways, well at least I heard that. And in character being a greedy aragant dwarf I would rather have elven like homes in Kal'Urgun.))

well we have a rail in the elven kingdom.you have to buy your own minecarts though.

[Decks of the Black Axe 3]

((I'm asking out of character because I don't think this is a RP issue, this is more of a sub community issue. I assume that much of the planning and communication about the new world is done OOC.

I am not advocating for an Elven made district. I don't want the Dwarves to live with the elves. What I was suggesting was a housing area on the outskirts of the above ground Kal'Urguan that would be satisfactory for the Forrest Dwarves. I was also suggesting a way for this to beneficial to the majority of the Dwarves living underground in Kal'Urguan, and could also represent a way for it to fit with King Algrim's opinion of the Forrest Dwarves. Namely, taking advantage of their money by building on your land and also using them as a "meat shield" for incoming attacks.

If I was to try to do this in character, it wouldn't make any sense, because as a Mountain Dwarf I don't agree with your directive to move the dwarves underground.

But OOC, I am trying to come up with a solution that fits:

1. Your character's greed and dislike for non Cave Dwarves.

2. The forrest dwarves desire to live above ground and in their natural setting.

3. Keeps the dwarves together and helps make them one economic power, as apposed to losing a portion of the Dwarves to the elves.

As I said, I think this idea does all three of these things. So, my question is... what is a better solution?

[Decks of the Black Axe 3]

I want to make sure that you know that I think you're doing a great job as King. I'm not trying to question that. I'm just trying to come up with solutions to a problem, and expressing my opinion.

[Gulik Shortbeard 2]

((In all honesty I like the idea. But in character I do not. I do not want dwarfs living with elfs. I do not want the elfs to make minas for housing dwarfs. In character we do not even have a treaty with the elfs so how does a shared district make sense. Do remember we are not supposed to make railways, well at least I heard that. And in character being a greedy aragant dwarf I would rather have elven like homes in Kal'Urgun.))

((If the dwarves don't have any sort of understanding with the elves, doesn't that make forest dwarves illegal immigrants to them?))

[williewonka01 45]

OOC: No I like when people challenge my opinion, I am not right all the time, well let me rephrase that. I am not right most of the time, I will admit it. Maybe it is a role playing issue, as King I did not write the lore so we have forrest dwarfs. But Ill put up my opinion. I do not see the need for tree homes in Kal'Urguan for a few reasons.

1. We are dwarfs, yes we have forrest dwarfs, but the lore states "The forest dwarves are the tree loving counterparts of their brethren. They live in the forests of Aegis mingling happily with the Elves. They are the more eloquent and well educated of the Dwarves, learning much from the elves and men". They are dwarfs that tend to enjoy nature, and trees, more than others. But remember they are still dwarfs it gets to a point where they should still carry some traits any other dwarfs has.

2. Look at our town. We have homes above ground. I have not forced, made, or even belittled anyone for living above ground. We have homes above ground. If you are referring to the post Brian made about having the capital city completely underground. That is for the new capital which is completely different than now. I know everything about 2.0 is still not determined, but what I have heard is that sub races will be role played a lot more. Meaning there will most likely be the capital completely underground, with maybe a small out post town above ground on a mountain. My character does not dislike non cave dwarfs also he just has the belief all dwarfs should be underground. Though to please his people he allows dwarfs to live above ground.

3. Now hear my solution. If I role-played a forrest dwarfs this is what I would do. Live in one of the homes above ground, to share the brotherhood I would still hold with the dwarfs. But I would spend most of my time in Lauraline because my character gets along much better with elfs. I would use my ability as a lumberjack to help my fellow dwarfs. Just a brief summary I put little amount of time developing that character.

In conclusion: If I do agree to this here is what I would do. Without any set out district we have our hidden mountains with trees covering it. Without harming nature I would have Petyr come and help me build a few of those. Then without advertising them, I would just offer to sell them, at a low price to any Forrest dwarf I happen to meet.

[Decks of the Black Axe 3]

OOC: Ok that's good.

Sorry, my comments were all mostly directed at the future of the Dwarves, regarding the New Map. It was my understanding that the Dwarves would be entirely underground in the New Map Kingdom.

I was not referring to the current map, so anything I have said is regarding the long term future of the dwarves, not any present situations.

[Kilgrim 361]

Bam: http://www.lordofthecraft.net/forum/index.php?/topic/19306-tree-burrows/page__gopid__83054#entry83054

Need more stone :/

- Thak of Gyial

[Admiral_Ackbarf 67]

Why don't we make a giant tree in Kal'Urguan and have the forest dwarves live there? (( I'm just kidding))