[✗] [Amendement] Vampire progression timers

[Pearlescent 585]

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Corcitură [FA]

  On [Feat] acceptance, [Tier 1] begins and lasts for [4] OOC weeks. [Tier 2] lasts for [8] OOC weeks, at the end of which [Tier 3] is reached and progression stops unless the character takes on the Moroi [Creature Application].

 

Moroi [CA]

On [Creature Application] acceptance, fresh moroi will begin at [Tier 1] following the timers listed above for the Corcitură [FA], which progress concurrently with the first three tiers of the Moroi [CA]. Current [Feat] vampires however will continue from the tier they had already reached. [Tier 3] lasts for [12] OOC weeks. [Tier 4] lasts for [16] OOC weeks, at the end of which [Tier 5] is reached and progression stops. In total a moroi character’s journey from Tiers [1 - 5] would take [10] OOC months.

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Corcitură [FA]

◈    On [Feat] acceptance, [Tier 1] begins and lasts for [2] OOC weeks. [Tier 2] lasts for [4] OOC weeks, at the end of which [Tier 3] is reached and progression stops unless the character takes on the Moroi [Creature Application].

 

Moroi [CA]

On [Creature Application] acceptance, fresh moroi will begin at [Tier 1] following the timers listed above for the Corcitură [FA], which progress concurrently with the first three tiers of the Moroi [CA]. Current [Feat] vampires however will continue from the tier they had already reached. [Tier 3] lasts for [8] OOC weeks. [Tier 4] lasts for [12] OOC weeks, at the end of which [Tier 5] is reached and progression stops. In total a moroi character’s journey from Tiers [1 - 5] would take relatively [6] OOC months.

 

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I feel that having a timer that runs on for a total of 10 months of time is excessive when compared to how quickly you could achieve and get other endgame CAs.

 

[The King Of The Moon 7016]

The slow burn is intentional.

As I discussed with ST management when the votes were initially compiled for this piece:

"Progression being slow is by design. These creatures have little to no MA progression and the like, whilst teaching is also incredibly accessible and as such should at the very least be time-gated. There should be a tangible IC difference between a vampire who is kajillion years old and a vampire who got turned 3 weeks ago."

The vampiric trope is that they are long-lived, and in their context an "elder" ought to be someone truly ancient. In LotC terms this is very hard to achieve due to IC timescales, and I actually feel 40 IC years / OOC weeks is in some ways too short of a span to achieve this, though practicality demands a reasonable deadline.

 

5 hours ago, Pearlescent said:

compared to how quickly you could achieve and get other endgame CAs.

This to me is very telling of the philosophy and misconceptions behind this amendment.

 

Moroi isn't an "endgame CA". Yes, there is Blood Magic which is optional and tangential. Yes, there are Corcituri who are an alternative, lighter-touch living vampire archetype (specifically for those who wish to have magic and retain more human behaviour and relationships). Though neither of these are avenues to 'progress' into a Moroi. There is no perquisite and this isn't a CA you should strive to become with the perspective that "okay I've done what I set out to do, now give me everything".

 

It's not the final form of some prior MA like Zar'akal are to Naztherak, Wights are to Mysticism or Archliches are to Necromancy. It's about the journey, not the destination. You should be playing your character with a conscious awareness that those 'higher' than you are also maturer in their vampirism. You should accept that your character might be deemed "younger" and potentially lesser than others who have been around longer than you.

 

Your character already is an immortal, undead being and from T1 onwards your roleplay should reflect that your character is on a journey, they are not at the "endgame" destination... Because there isn't one.

 

Frankly, if someone is unwilling to stick with a character for 10 months or longer, then they have no business aspiring to a CA whose defining feature is longevity at the cost of morality. If someone isn't enjoying said character until Tier 5 then that's an attitude problem, not a lore problem to cheapen other peoples' experiences by changing.

 

Something I feel is very often overlooked is also the reality that the progression of the Corcitură [FA] leads directly into the tiers of the Moroi [CA], and consequently most of the Moroi who have been turned (not grandfathered) have actually began at T3 to start from.

The vast, vast majority of moroi abilities are achieved at T3 or earlier, whilst the T4 and T5 abilities are almost exclusively aesthetic hallmarks of "age" for moroi to flaunt amongst themselves.

The only tangible change at higher tiers is the ability to teach, which is locked at T5. This deliberately limits the rapid spread of an already incredibly popular CA:

- There have been 38 accepted Moroi [CA]s so far.
- Of these, 25 were Corcitură [FA] grandfathers who began the Moroi [CA] at T3.

This means that from mid January 2026 - mid February 2026, there will potentially be 28 teachers as that "generation" hits T5 and is added to the 3 pre-existing TA grandfathers. 

Yes, new people will be turned and old people will leave, though ultimately we will never end up in a situation where there's "no teachers" for the Moroi CA.

 

This amendment feels like it undermines much of the purpose, potential and aesthetic planning that was put into the CA to begin with.

[femurlord 3751]

I prefer the slow-burn, I stand with Mordu as a Moroi myself. This amendment cheapens the experience and spiritually, serves to only unnaturally balloon the CA more than it already is. Everything you need is at T3. 

 

Comparison is the thief of joy.

[Ardory 2978]

Vampires would not last the time it takes to get Azdrazi...

[wowj 9747]

2 hours ago, Astrophysical said:

Vampires would not last the time it takes to get Azdrazi...

 

[ClassyDryad 2367]

I am normally for shortening progression timers but I think Mordu brings up a lot of good points here.

[Pallodium 3775]

This lore has been denied.

 

This went to an internal vote and did not pass.