A Orc?

[Cosmik 220]

"Be quiet, Fishy. You have no voice. You are not an elf. You are a fish.

Not elf.

Fish.

So shush."

[Mucky 443]

I can be with the elves if i want,

And i could be part elf, but not a goblin...

or part human, so it could losen my will of bloodlust,

and i can hold it back...

[Blawharag 277]

elves have low birthrates to offset their longer lifespans ect ect

((First of all, I said nothing about throwing out ban reports. I am not some unreasonable person who pops his lid at every little break in lore. Secondly this one sentence tells me you know little to nothing about Aegis lore. You have longer lifespans? Guess what, all races save humans are ageless meaning they cannot die of old age. Humans used to be ageless, except they were cursed with mortality making them the only race that can die through natural means.

The curses are in fact all solid lore. If you spent time reading the lore and checking your facts you would know that. Talk to Mogroka, he has been around for some time and can give you quite the history lesson. He enjoys it in fact and I'm sure he wouldn't mind. I assure you the curses, as well as their blessing counterparts, are completely fact. Yes they are widely under-enforced, if we enforced all the curses we would have to monitor every human's age and see to it they eventually killed of their character. That would be unreasonable. That being said, do not confuse under-enforcement for un-true. Which is apparently what you are doing.

No one is going to ban any Orc for not showing his bloodlust. That isn't the point I'm trying to make here. My point is that it is poor roleplay and technically powergaming. Imagine if we all made perfect character's with no flaws what so ever and none of us could ever lose. Yea, that would suck. Orc society is one of the only societies that actively roleplays its curse. Our insanely aggressive nature and tendency to attack every other nation for breathing the wrong way on our territory is part of our lore. It is our flaw as a society. This is what makes our RP a challenge. We start a bunch of wars with everything that moves and quickly end up over matched or deprived of resources. Yes, by the way, resource deprivation is a serious problem, I didn't just throw that in there. If we didn't have such a drive for war our society would have no flaws or problems, or in other words, boring.))

[Volutional 935]

[[ When I think of a baby Orc, I think of Shrek's kids ]]

[Mucky 443]

^

>.<

Thats an Ogre...

[Aerinyes 402]

((First of all, I said nothing about throwing out ban reports. I am not some unreasonable person who pops his lid at every little break in lore. Secondly this one sentence tells me you know little to nothing about Aegis lore. You have longer lifespans? Guess what, all races save humans are ageless meaning they cannot die of old age. Humans used to be ageless, except they were cursed with mortality making them the only race that can die through natural means.

The curses are in fact all solid lore. If you spent time reading the lore and checking your facts you would know that. Talk to Mogroka, he has been around for some time and can give you quite the history lesson. He enjoys it in fact and I'm sure he wouldn't mind. I assure you the curses, as well as their blessing counterparts, are completely fact. Yes they are widely under-enforced, if we enforced all the curses we would have to monitor every human's age and see to it they eventually killed of their character. That would be unreasonable. That being said, do not confuse under-enforcement for un-true. Which is apparently what you are doing.

No one is going to ban any Orc for not showing his bloodlust. That isn't the point I'm trying to make here. My point is that it is poor roleplay and technically powergaming. Imagine if we all made perfect character's with no flaws what so ever and none of us could ever lose. Yea, that would suck. Orc society is one of the only societies that actively roleplays its curse. Our insanely aggressive nature and tendency to attack every other nation for breathing the wrong way on our territory is part of our lore. It is our flaw as a society. This is what makes our RP a challenge. We start a bunch of wars with everything that moves and quickly end up over matched or deprived of resources. Yes, by the way, resource deprivation is a serious problem, I didn't just throw that in there. If we didn't have such a drive for war our society would have no flaws or problems, or in other words, boring.))

((Look guy, accusation of powergaming is a pretty serious thing. Either make the ban report, or sit down and shut up. Because its not a fine line, its a binary thing, either they broke a rule or they didn't.

Its a very well known fact that there is a group of orc players that bully other orc players into playing them how they think they should be played.

But I'm going to tell you something, you're not doing it here. So either get the stones and put up the ban reports or go back to your own little world. You say you're not a jerk about how people play their characters, if that was the case, then you wouldn't have made the post. Its not affecting you, its not affecting anyone else. I don't see you crying foul about people playing murlocs and vampires since those aren't on the lore page either.))

[Mucky 443]

^ :D

[Aerinyes 402]

((Sorry, I don't like bullies, :( I'll let ya go back to RPing))

[Mucky 443]

^ Thanks :)

[Blawharag 277]

((Im going to ignore the sit down and shut up part and assume it is possible for us to have a friendly debate. You are not part of the app team, so allow me to tell you that there is actually a post in the A-Team forums which specifically addresses the issue of Vampires and Werewolves. So yes, people are doing something about it, specifically the App Team is trying to keep them from getting in.

That being said, why is it we must instantly jump to ban reports? I recognize that there is a large group of people RPing in various ways all of which can be considered powergaming. In fact, there is another post in the app team forums specifically addressing the correct definition(s) for powergaming. It is not the fine line you think it is. Furthermore I do not feel bans are the correct measure to be taken here, because I am not a jerk. I for one understand that curses and blessings for races are A) not something Regularly talked about B) something few members of the community completely understand, as was proven by your comment regarding curses not being canon lore. Therefore running around screaming "Ban ban ban" is not the appropriate reaction to a mis-educated population. I personally believe re-education and gentle talks about how to RP without accidently powergaming is the correct method to use in a situation like this, and to reserve bans for people with blatant disregard for the rules.

I am not trying to force my RP onto other Orcs. In fact, I specifically gave a suggestion on how they might incorporate bloodlust into their character's RP without breaking the overall image they have of their character. The fact of the matter is I am affected by an Orc who doesn't RP his bloodlust. I find it degrades the overall quality of RP by eliminating essential cultural differences between races and turning race into something that is secondhand and more mechanical than something which is a legitimate part of your roleplay.

For this reason I ask that you please try to compose yourself and at least post logically constructed arguments and not flame me by calling me a "bully" and asking me to shut up when I am trying to be as reasonable and respectful of everyone here as possible. I am legitimately upset by the sudden flare of anger from you and expect better from you as a veteran member of this server and forum. I am not insulting you or anyone here, all I ask is that you share my simple courtesy. Thank you.

If you really feel I should post a ban report than I ask you to consider the following:

1. Lets pretend the ban gets through. Would you be enraged by the jurisdiction? Why?

2. If we were having a conversation and a pigman killed you, would you want me to post a ban report when you came back to get your stuff? Careful how you respond, because there have been prior rulings on this exact scenario.))

[Aerinyes 402]

((I called you a 'bully' because of the condescending tone used. You implied that I had no idea what I was talking about, and if I did, I wouldn't have gotten a first time go on my own application by Respiren a few months ago.

I understand what you mean by the degrading of overall experience, there's maybe 5 players on the server that can RP an elf, the rest are humans with pointed ears. However I take a live and let live approach. If they blantantly shove it on me however, I'll politely correct them.

As for your questions:

1. No I would not be upset IFF (as in IF and only IF, so two Fs there), there was a rule binding us to the ancient lore as being more then a creation myth. I could very well be wrong in implying this, but the whole thing about the curse upon the races to me is like Adam and Eve taking the forbidden apple and damning humankind to sin. Did it happen? Maybe, maybe not.

2. As for this, no ban report is needed. I've seen either Native or Petyr I believe (one of the higher ups anyway) say something along the lines that a player's own action on themselves (falling, slipping in lava, drowning, ect) doesn't count towards this. It might have been different a few months ago, but it wouldn't make sense if someone slipped off a structure they were building and couldn't return for 30 minutes. This rule is also in the War section which would almost imply it wouldn't count towards RP deaths outside War, but we do know that it does. It should probably be clarified, which might be why one GM says something different about it then another.

A little edit:

Just spoke to Native about this, and here's what he had to say:

<00:52:10>"Sythra": The 30 minute rule, does that apply only from RP (PVP,Trap) or for mobs and falling too?

<00:54:57>"Native ~": only for RP

<00:55:00>"Native ~": mobs / falling no

<00:55:14>"Native ~": unless these mobs are during an event

))

[craotor 617]

((Just want to say this one thing.If we are not bound to the ancient lore that was made by the first admins along time what are we bound to??Realy the ancient lore is one of the few things that is certain and we can't change.

Think of it like this if the ancient lore is not canon a guy can just come and shout Ibleed is a good guy and never harmed anyone.Someone can make a human that lived for over 2000 years since he can make up his own lore and say he lives for ever and the batle between Ibllees and the brothers did not happen.Or someone can go say ohhh my char is from the bird people that lived with the 4 brothers.

The ancient lore needs to be cannon or else people can just make up what they want for theire char and say "ohh but this thing could have happened "We need to have this set in stone or else many char that ont make any sense will just pop up.

I agree that many elves rp as humans with pointy ears and that some orcs rp as spineless cowards that want to be peaceful.Most of this chars anger me alot since it proves some people have not fully understood our lore.But we can't force them to do what we want.We need to talk to them and educate em.

Hukky even though I find you're char a bit annoying I think you can and should rp it but make some changes to it.Make him have tons of repressed hatred and Bloodlust make it like surge sometimes.But don't be all cowardly and useless,there are many chars like this but you can make this rp better by editing him a little.))

[_pok_ 1768]

((Sorry, I don't like bullies, :( I'll let ya go back to RPing))

((He's not a bully. And, Blawharag is right. He is one of the best RPers on this server not to mention he knows a hell of a lot more lore than practically the entire Human playerbase...(had to say it, because it's true..) He is saying it how it is and you are jumping to conclusions. Quite frankly, it pisses me off when I see this weak as hell Orcs running all over the place. In the Lore we are cursed with bloodlust. It TECHNICALLY is powergaming. Nobody ever said that anybody is getting banned. He is stating a point and you are jumping to conclusions and being a jerk.))

[Slic3man 484]

((How i see it is that, some things in lore are true, who says others are? Just like there are different religions in IRL why wouldn't there be in LoTC? Things like shortness, birth, and age may be real due to it being more natural, but something like being bloodthirsty seems more like something a parent teaches you, a personality trait if you will. Most things in lore correct, but some things may not be. People can't just be anything they want, but that also shouldn't limit them to not be what they want if it's reasonable as well.))

((On another note i believe if Orcs are angry about it they should find the weak ones and try making them stronger instead of watch them become weaker then before by hanging around the other races. Take Thul for example, they took him, he is doing better then before now. If someone hits him, instead of sniffling and crying he hits them back now. Just saying, Orcs aren't making much effort IC to change anything about weak Orcs. Another thing is, I doubt you even had a encounter with an Orc? First thing you see is your mother, you follow it, do not simply run from it. Thul was scared of Orcs due to his first encounter being bad with them trying to eat him and such. But, if you have never had something like that then you should not just go to the Elves instantly. You follow what you were born to, not turn to something else because OOC, you know Orcs raise they're children roughly.))

[Dretus 14]

(( Weak orcs are killed when they are young.))