So With This Many Human Kingdoms...

[racingbrother 226]

((This is the reason I switched to an orc. Too many human kingdoms, too confusing. But from the information I have gathered, I have made this highly intelectual (butchered the english language) graph of the kingdoms.

Salvus: Winterfell 2.0

Renatus: Troll land and home of about 1/2 the server's terrible RP'rs

Hanseti: Evil peepz

Alras: a so called multi-racial society, where basically Al'khazar citizens who think the 3 kingdoms thing is stupid live.

I hope this has answered your question. You decide which part of Oren you like the most and join it. My brain is about to explode from that extremely technical chart.))

[shields12347 133]

As the leader of Hanseti I feel I must interject. As Gaius was the heir to Oren as Enor pased his crown to him, Hanseti is the new nation of Oren. And the Teutonic Order are far from evil as they are just to protect the lands and the people of Hanseti. What it comes down to though is besides the orcs, Hanseti has and will always have the strongest military presence in the world but I did not intend to be imperialistic any time near the beginning of the new world. However if nations like Renatus want to come into this world and start throwing stones at small helpless towns and the poor nation of Salvus then I will throw boulders.

[Jorgen Reimer 74]

You people do not understand.

We have to have more human kingdoms.

If we dont have Renatus, where else will we keep the shitty RPers?

((Even though there are weary few who actually know what they are doing.))

No way I want them lingering around Hansetia, and neither does any other kingdom deserve the fate of the "Renatus plauge"..

[♦ Kal ♦ 242]

I want to see a human reunite the races..... or they brawl it out till their capital cities fail. Also dwarves have basically split again. I had it with the nation so I packed up my clansmen and left and now we have out own safe haven. Politics rock I say...

Good lord, Hiebe. What is your problem with the humans? Every time I see this issue coming up you say, there are to many nations and humans should re-unite and now in the same statement you say, you split up the dwarfs? Really?

Humans have the biggest player base. They can handle having nations with different orientations. I don't want one nation, when it means people start annoying the crap out of me again.

Every human nation has it's own pro and contra. Some may have more contra than others.

My opinion on which is the new Oren - They all are and at the same time, none of them.

[Samson Option 9652]

As the leader of Hanseti I feel I must interject. As Gaius was the heir to Oren as Enor pased his crown to him, Hanseti is the new nation of Oren. And the Teutonic Order are far from evil as they are just to protect the lands and the people of Hanseti. What it comes down to though is besides the orcs, Hanseti has and will always have the strongest military presence in the world but I did not intend to be imperialistic any time near the beginning of the new world. However if nations like Renatus want to come into this world and start throwing stones at small helpless towns and the poor nation of Salvus then I will throw boulders.

Seems I passed down my gonads gutsy attitude to you too ICly :3 Nah I am kidding, but I enjoyed reading that :D

[Hiebe 2493]

Good lord, Hiebe. What is your problem with the humans? Every time I see this issue coming up you say, there are to many nations and humans should re-unite and now in the same statement you say, you split up the dwarfs? Really?

Humans have the biggest player base. They can handle having nations with different orientations. I don't want one nation, when it means people start annoying the crap out of me again.

Every human nation has it's own pro and contra. Some may have more contra than others.

My opinion on which is the new Oren - They all are and at the same time, none of them.

Well my classic idea is whenever you see many human kingdoms one of them will start wars or one epic hero will unite the kingdoms to face a greater evil.

Also I left Karik on my own and my Ironguts followed me. I never ment to split them up but thats what happens when you dont listen to others.... they leave and take their friends and clans with them.

[♦ Kal ♦ 242]

Well. There are no undead to unite against anymore and at this point, forcing the humans into one kingdom would only lead to new rebellions.

Heck, Renatus has to face a riot about every 10 or 20 days and people are not even forced to live there, because of all the other options.

Well my classic idea is whenever you see many human kingdoms one of them will start wars or one epic hero will unite the kingdoms to face a greater evil.

This option failed, when the Phoenix rebelled against Gaius.

[Hiebe 2493]

So have three kingdoms who all hate each other live happily? I think war would be very interesting and I see its already happening anyways.

[♦ Kal ♦ 242]

To my knowledge, Hanseti and Salvus have no problems with each other and the military of Salvus solely exists to defend the kingdom - Not to attack other nations.

I don't say the nations are fixed the way they are now, but I don't expect to have less then 2 nations any time soon.

[Hiebe 2493]

Well I still think it would be pretty cool and make great lore if done right. :)

[Dash_Rogers 130]

I like the idea of 3 human nations because it means they are expendable. The Orc nation would never fall unless you kill off the entire race, same goes for the elves and dwarfs. But with all the human nations, I foresee an astronimal event in which an entire land and nation will be deconstructed by war since we will always have another nation to take refuge, whereas the Mori for example, even if their land were to be taken, homes destroyed, civilization thrashed, they would still live on clinging to their culture. If a human nation were to be destroyed, for example Hanseti. Say the entire world was just afraid of the their presence so every nation went over and ransacked the south. There might be remnants of the order, but the majority of citizens would just side allegiance with another human nation like Salvus.

[GavinTheViking 151]

A meeting needs to take place. Retanus, Hanseti, and Salvus kings meet up a discuss things. No guards, council members, or any other being. Alras might be appropriate to meet at, but in secret. A fine pact or even a jolly alliance would be splendid, not asking for them to form one nation. But if you have seen the map, the Human kingdoms hold alot of land. Combined, this could fuel an empire that could easily crush opposers.

[JoakimVonAnka 63]

I have to disagree to your posts. Renatus isn't a troll lair. I have been there since Asulon and haven't noticed any troll affairs. Neither no bad RPers. Renatus has proven to not need help from the other human nations. Renatus is in excellent shape and anything else is a lie.

[steelersfan1221 300]

Moved to the Great Library. It shall be sorted into appropriate category shortly.