Inter-Elven Discrimination

[Muchoman798 5]

We all know that there is discrimination among our own race. Not to the Mori'Quessir, but between High Elves and the others, Wood and Dark Elves.

It is seen in the separation they choose to have in housing.

The number of Non-High Elves they tell to turn away.

The High Elves having a different bulletin board.

The High Elves not even sharing the information about their village.

The differences they are hiding from the other Elves, driving a stave into our relations.

But it is not just the High Elves. Wood Elves, like myself, and Dark Elves are also guilty of inter-race prejudice. Specific examples are hard for me to list, as they come from my side. If a High Elf would like to share some they observe, I would indeed love to hear it.

I am tired of it.

((I mean really, I don't see half of the Elven Role Play because it is in the High Elf subforum...))

[Sporadic 2844]

A response was dropped into the open by bird, written in hasty and sharp letters.

Who is it that is casting judgment here? Who is questioning so hastily the Mali'aheral and their careful decision to keep their heritage, the High Elven ruins of Haelun'or, close to the chest, safe from possible threat until the right people have detangled and deciphered the gifts our ancestors left.

For all you know, the Mali'aheral are currently bend over progress that shall continue to benefit Mali'thill for many ages to come. Would you not agree a noble inheritance should be treated with caution and safe from unfortunate circumstances that would bring it to come undone?

Consider this before you hang out the dirty laundry, llir'Mali. We do not appreciate being known as a kind that make choices without careful deliberation.

maehr'sae hiylu'ehya,

Ellir'siol

[Muchoman798 5]

A response, in the same writ as the original post, is placed behind the first parchment.

Ah, I know the judgement was passed, and I am indeed glad you showed me the prejudice in my own posting, however, I would have to say a few things.

I sincerely do agree that keeping it close to heart the construction of the High Elven town, however it should not be so secretive that many Non-High Elves know absolutely nothing of it. I indeed respect the culture of High Elves, it is so enthralling and beautiful, but it needs to not be entirely a secret from your brethren.

But within your response is the very discrimination of which I speak. I agree, my post may have been... blunt, but you use language such that shows you see us as feeble. "A noble culture," implying ours is not. "Safe from the threat," implies you assume Wood and Dark Elves would taint your reconstruction, when I would merely marvel at its inherent beauty. And "hang out your dirty laundry," leaving a hint as to how you find my opinions. I deeply respect yours, they are anything but dirty laundry. They are great to know, great to debate, great to discuss.

I merely meant to get the ball rolling and to see how my own prejudices could be curbed, and hoped that some would be curbed in others as well. No offense was meant, and none should have been taken.

[Cosmik 220]

A piece of parchment is affixed below the two notes. As you lean in, you smell lingering tobacco on the note...

If our fair-haired brethren choose to shun those of different build and body, they are free to do so. Many do not agree with their policies (I have personally been chased out of the city many times, despite assisting the community through healing those who are wounded and dealing with orcs lingering by the gates) but they claimed the land, they built the walls and they consider themselves beyond Malinor's control at this point.

Myself and others will remain watchful of their actions and we will see what is to come once both our cities are more stable. We will wait until they have "deciphered their gifts left by their ancestors" then decisions can be made on whether or not they wish to remain under the branches of our nation.

--Prince Ashur

[Aerinyes 402]

I had visited the City of Haelun'or earlier today and found the residents quite respectful. I don't understand why they would chase you out, Ashur, as I know you well enough that you would never intentionally insult another.

Currently I am looking to opening diplomatic relations between the High Elves and Malinor. Since I have made headway already I would like to be the one responsible for dealings with them in the future.

[Yuln 265]

*Aurea looks at the board and sees the message, she pulls out an piece of parchment and starts writing*

Greetings,

I dont understand why you say that our city is covered with secrets, it is not our fault you dont know anything about our city. Our gates are open to all who treat the city and her citizens with respect, if you dont visit our city, of course you dont know anything about it! If you want to know more about us, visit our city, be respectful and the "secrets" will be revealed.

-Aurea

[Esterlen 4499]

The other races are intellectually inferior to us - that is fact and undeniable. However, as elves you are still far closer to us than humans or orcs, and as such you will be tolerated.

We will not be subject to Malinor's rule. We are not part of Malinor - not whilst Haelphon is your high prince.

Justified prejudices do not need to be curbed, and do not think you will start a revolution - we will not abide by your liberal customs.

If you do not like being discriminated against - change your viewpoint or leave us.

- Nelecar, Haelun'or's Master of Military

[Muchoman798 5]

Aurea, you are perhaps the most respectful and intelligent Elf I have found, and that I deeply appreciate. However, there are often other High Elves who push me away as soon as the recognize me to be a Wood Elf, and I have great disdain for such. I do respect and love High Elves, as they are most definitely my brethren, kin or not. I hate to be pushed away, and posted this in order to see other's opinions and how at least I can not push away the High Elves.

Indeed, it is likely you who is able to discern with the most wondrous amount of thought what is truly happening. As such, I would be quite joyous should you share with me your own opinions of how Wood and Dark Elves discriminate. And as always, I thank your respect.

As for the one with the response before me, you are the reason I made this thread. You deserve no such response as Aurea.

[Yuln 265]

*sees nelecar response*

Nelecar,

I am no member of the council, but I can understand why orcs are banned from the city;

its because they have attacked our citizens and dishonored our City, to prevent further attacks we banished them out of our city-walls. Remember that and understand that every creature that means no harm and is eager to learn should be allowed in our city.

I hope you listen to me and understand that no Hostility is needed towards those who respect our culture and City.

-Aurea

[Sporadic 2844]

The slab hung up in Ellir's handwriting, calligraphic burned into the polished tablet, has a more formal tone to it. The text is carefully spaced, hinting that more deliberation was placed behind the making of it.

tali'Heial'thilln ito'ne kae'leh. I am merely a Mali'aheral who has the best interest of her kind at heart. "Noble race"? Of course we are proud of being Mali'aheral, but such does not necessarily imply any other race need not take pride in their own.

I would like to suggest that you are actively looking for offending phrases where there are none. Secondly, you shall forgive me for pointing out that you flirt with and equivalence of intelligence and how kind and accepting another Elf is towards you. It is the latter that is a great taboo in Mali'aheral society, and possibly cause for a conflict of interest to exist between us and yourself.

However, though I can not speak for the council, it should be considered the High Elven responsibility not to alienate our fellow Mali'thill with rash comments and a presumed image of indifference. Should you send a bird to the Haelun'or college addressed to me, Ellir'siol, carrying with an invitation for her to speak publicly with you and others on Malinor grounds, you will then find her responding in the positive, as she would be pleased to explain the Mali'aheral ideals and our justification for acting as we are. You will even find her willing to answer your questions and hopefully ease your troubled minds, and take with her the results of such a discussion to the Heial'thilln of Haelun'or.

ito maehr'sae hiylu'ehya,

Ellir'siol

[Aerinyes 402]

As I have said, I have been to their city and received the utmost respect from our cousins. Of course I did not go there implying anything or trying to force our ways upon them, but to learn their customs and their organization. Which I am sure they appreciated.

I'd expect everyone from Malinor to conduct themselves and behave in the mean time. We have greater issues at hand that you all need to be concerned with. Agitating our neighbors is not one of them.

I do find it ironic that the wood elves consider them discriminatory. Especially considering the treatment I've received from them as a dark elf lately.

[Aislin 4354]

As the Alrasian Diplomat, my job is difficult, mostly because most people simply do not like Alras. However, the High Elves have treated me with care and respect over and over again, and I enjoy travelling to their settlement.

[Esterlen 4499]

Aurea, you are perhaps the most respectful and intelligent Elf I have found, and that I deeply appreciate. However, there are often other High Elves who push me away as soon as the recognize me to be a Wood Elf, and I have great disdain for such. I do respect and love High Elves, as they are most definitely my brethren, kin or not. I hate to be pushed away, and posted this in order to see other's opinions and how at least I can not push away the High Elves.

Indeed, it is likely you who is able to discern with the most wondrous amount of thought what is truly happening. As such, I would be quite joyous should you share with me your own opinions of how Wood and Dark Elves discriminate. And as always, I thank your respect.

As for the one with the response before me, you are the reason I made this thread. You deserve no such response as Aurea.

To the would-be activist,

Ah, I see. You attempt to demoralize me in your argument by claiming I deserve no such response - mind you I demand no response either - but your efforts are in vain. If you're as righteous as you have implied you would not discriminate against the discriminator. Not that I have issue with such, I am not a hypocrit, however you seem to be.

A common misconception is that we discriminate because we do not understand or because of some petty appearance reason - this is entirely false. We do not discriminate without giving extreme amounts of thought to the matter. We understand the lesser races and we know how they act. I would be more than happy to enlighten you on our reasons for the so called racism.

To Aurea,

I assure you there are reasons why we do not let anyone of any race into Haelun'or - if you're looking for just one of them look at this person I am arguing with now.

To be superior is our culture. We as mali'aheral are the intellectual superiors of the other races. Our ancient empire spanned centuries, and we have made more advances in the fields of science, magic and the arts in that tiny span of time than the other races have in their entire existance. Some deny this, and say that despite our hardships and our efforts we should still be equal with humans - or even worse the vile orcs - that after painstakingly collecting immense amounts of knowledge in the aforementioned subjects we are still no better than when we started? This is just one of the reasons.

Others are matters of culture, defense and laws of which we abide by.

Nelecar, Haelun'or's Master of Military

[Neri 3590]

((Pointy ears causes tears?))

[Esterlen 4499]

((Pointy ears causes tears?))

(( We <3 you anyway Freya. ))