Goblin Discussion [Ooc]

[loakmendbe 62]

Throm’ka War Uzg! I have been meaning to bring this up, As I have been thinking long and hard about a goblin character, which I will be playing after my human passes on. But, where do I start? That is what I wish to discuss today, as from what I see the goblin race can be classified as an extinct subrace/ race.

Now, where do I start? Well firstly, I want to ask what is the goblins intelligence? On the small little paragraph on the wiki, it describes them because of their short stature, they grew in the mind but how far exactly? What machinery can the goblins build, from what I read on the wiki, the orcs have plenty of siege weapons etc, did the goblins help design these? If so, I would like to ask are the goblins In Lord of The Craft Similar to that of the ones from World of Warcraft? Engineers and traders? I would like to see them as such, but still stay loyal to The War Uzg. And to add on to this before I continue, what real life century technology would they use? 15th, 16th... Etc.

To continue, because of the goblins smart intellect, would they know common tongue? I would assume so, but would they still know the Blah? And which one would be more superior in this sub race.. And if it is the common tongue, would they be frowned upon for using it in The War Uzg, or would they be more respected if they used The Blah, or would they be treated equally because of their intellect and tinkering skills even if using common?

And Finally before I say my last statement, How do goblins age? Would they be similar to halflings, or perhaps would they be the same as the orcs? Or even since lore does say that they may be related to the elves, Do they have the elves long lived lives? To make it more simplified, What age of what race do the goblins follow, as in are they immortal or not? (I would assume since orcs usually die of wars, goblins would die of engineering if they do follow the orcish way of life.)

And the final thing before I finish this up, if people were interested I could start writing more for the goblins, trying to get some light shined on the little guys, after all they are a diverse race just like the orcs! (If you have questions about the goblins do ask or tell in here! This is an open discussion about the race that not much look at!)

[TMGavLan 92]

Yes, I would compare the goblins to those from World of Warcraft. They are intelligent with the ability to make some redstone contraptions. That intelligence could be used for trading. As far as common goes, it is completely up to the character, but you will still need to know the orcish tongue, Blah, in order to be accepted by your father race.

Goblins are not looked down at (other than in the literal sense) by the orcs. They are highly respected by the orcs in their development of weapons and strategic war plans.

I'm not quite sure about their aging process, but I am sure it is similar to the Orcs in the sense of immortality. - But having the elven bloodline could change that. Not sure, you may want to clear that up with Mogroka.

Hope this helped!

[Blawharag 277]

Oh my, I can see there is much about the lore you are going to need to learn. Ill answer your questions but first, here is some stuff you need to know before you join the War Uzg in general:

The Blah: The blah is not a stupid language. The standard blah spoken commonly by Orcs is a mix between Oomie (what we call the common tongue) and True Blah (An entirely seperate language based heavily on LotR Black Speech which is considered our ancestral language and used more commonly by the older Orcs, shaman in particular). Many people think the Blah is a result of limited intelligence by the Orcs (fine to believe IC but OOC untrue). In fact Orcs are just as intelligent as any other species, it's by cultural shifts that we speak the Blah, which favors a guttural tongue easier for Orcs to speak.

Races and Lifespan: This is something not made abundantly clear in our origin story, and in fact is the topic of some discussion where it exactly came about. However it has been confirmed that all races save for Humans are immortal. Elves, Orcs, Dwarves and their appropriate sub races are immortal. Humans specifically were cursed with death by aging, the rest of the races have to be killed by unnatural causes (A sword for instance) in order to die. This means Goblins, like elves, live indefinitely.

Now on to your questions in general:

Yes goblins are very much like WoW goblins in that they are masters of technology. What they spans a variety of generations ranging from simple constructions like the trebuchet to more complex siege weapons like the ballista. I wouldn't say they have developed to the point of Steampunk however, but they are certainly trying.

Relating back to what I already said concerning the Blah, most Goblins will not know the common tongue unless they took the time to learn (which basically applies to every race trying to speak any language). Due to similarities between the tongues, your character could certainly be able to pick up bits and pieces of common speech, but it should be as difficult to understand for your goblin as it is for a random player who does not know the Blah OOC to come in and try to understand us. For ease, you could make your Goblin know common, there is quite a number of Orcs that know common it is not at all rare, but around the War Uzg (or indeed virtually everywhere) he would speak the Blah. Blawharag speaks perfect common, he also speaks True Blah. In almost every situation, even diplomatic ones with other races, he will adhere to Blah for as long as is reasonably possible. If someone else is around to translate he will go to them before he will start speaking common. He will only resort to common when it becomes necessary. For Orcs (and by extension, Goblins) the Blah is our language and Oomie is a language best left to Oomies (A term used to refer to all other races in general).

No as for being treated equally, I know your question is more relating to speaking common vs the Blah (which I cleared up) but I might as well touch upon this topic anyways. Strength in the War Uzg is viewed in many ways, not just combative ability. Jutra is a farmer and a cook. In battle I would call it a kill steal if she came out with a kill count higher than 0. However, she single handedly keeps the entire War Uzg amply supplied with food. That alone would make her considered very strong. To add to that, she still shows up to battles and provides medical support and food handouts making sure warriors stay healthy throughout the fight. That makes her incredibly strong and respected. In the same way, Goblins are never amazing fighters, however they have either entirely built or have had a heavy hand in building every technological piece used by the Orcs. They run siege workshops where they not only build our siege weapons for war, but experiment and design new weapons to fill new and greater needs. Because of their pivotal role played in these fields, they are viewed as equals within the War Uzg.

I think it would be great to see more writing about Goblins. I try to include them where I can when I write (they played a big part in slaying the first Shurr'Dru and will play a larger role in the battles to come) but there are few enough stories centering around them. I would suggest spending some time in the War Uzg and getting a feel for things before you start writing though.

One final note: Remember that Goblins are cursed and blessed with the same Bloodlust and Honor that Orcs are. This means they are driven to spill blood. This is why they are driven to build siege weapons and other lethal tech to compensate what they cannot kill physically. However killing through technology does much less to sate bloodlust than killing a man up close and feeling his blood upon you. For this reason goblins are constantly driven to improve the efficiency of their inventions, constantly trying to one up themselves. Much in the same way a drug addict is constantly trying to re-achieve that "first high". They are also still an honorable race and will lean towards technology that will kill in honorable ways and will try to avoid operator injury (though they may over reach themselves where technology is concerned and be unable to avoid it).

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Hope this helped, let me know if you need any further aid or have more questions, always happy to help.

[Ned Lud 1260]

Well firstly, I want to ask what is the goblins intelligence? On the small little paragraph on the wiki, it describes them because of their short stature, they grew in the mind but how far exactly?

Goblins are generally more intelligent then orcs when it comes to things such as craftsmanship, mathematics, engineering and things of that nature. It's not that larger orcs are stupid, they're just much more practical and they have big hands, while goblins simply like to tinker

What machinery can the goblins build, from what I read on the wiki, the orcs have plenty of siege weapons etc, did the goblins help design these? If so, I would like to ask are the goblins In Lord of The Craft Similar to that of the ones from World of Warcraft? Engineers and traders? I would like to see them as such, but still stay loyal to The War Uzg. And to add on to this before I continue, what real life century technology would they use? 15th, 16th... Etc.

Goblins designed the majority of our siege equipment and they dominate our redstone technology. The few goblins we have are capable of designing various siege weapons, traps and hidden passageways. They tend to excel in trade, if only because of their nack for math, craftsmanship and haggling. Most of our influences are drawn from the works of Tolkien, World of Warcraft and Warhammer. In times of peace, the goblins are engineers and tinkerers, no doubt. But they can be vicious as well in times of war, and they share in the orcish bloodlust and sense of strength and honor. Engineering and trade are among their strengths, so many of them focus on that. Technology will generally follow the medieval era. Some things may dabble on the verge of steampunk, but we're really trying not to get too crazy with it, as the server is still rooted in a medieval style. I also believe that shiftnative has already said that he does not want to see zeppelins, although many of us will joke about the possibilities.

To continue, because of the goblins smart intellect, would they know common tongue? I would assume so, but would they still know the Blah? And which one would be more superior in this sub race.. And if it is the common tongue, would they be frowned upon for using it in The War Uzg, or would they be more respected if they used The Blah, or would they be treated equally because of their intellect and tinkering skills even if using common?

Orcs and goblins are both capable of learning the common tongue, although The Bastardized Blah is what we now learn from birth and use most commonly. The Blah, in it's purest form, (which is almost entirely derived from Tolkien's Black Speech and the Shadowclan's version of Orcish, entirely meaning every little word that can be translated gets translated) is used mostly by shaman and elders and even then during special occasions or rituals. Many of the older orcs speak common fluently. The Blah and the Bastardized Blah will always be far superior and you be frowned upon for using too much common tongue among us, although using it when needed is fine, either to translate or express a word that is not in our vocabulary, as we all do this from time to time. Our language is so important to the preservation of our culture, that if the Rex himself began speaking common tongue as his chosen language, any Wargoth worth his salt would be obliged to challenge him on the matter.

And Finally before I say my last statement, How do goblins age? Would they be similar to halflings, or perhaps would they be the same as the orcs? Or even since lore does say that they may be related to the elves, Do they have the elves long lived lives? To make it more simplified, What age of what race do the goblins follow, as in are they immortal or not? (I would assume since orcs usually die of wars, goblins would die of engineering if they do follow the orcish way of life.)

Goblins age same as orcs. Orcs are capable of living as long as elves. The only reason you rarely ever see any orcs older than 200 years old is because we live much more dangerously then they do and many of us die in battle. Goblins would also face a high-risk lifestyle, as many of them die in large explosions, become crushed under the weight of their killing-machines or get lobbed into fortresses when we run out of ammunition for our siege weapons. How long you live as a player is really up to you though, many of us are nearing 200 and I have no plan of dying anytime soon. Previously, we were aging every year, according to the in-game passing of time. Mogroka has come up with a pretty interesting concept though, that we would actually begin aging every season (1 real-life week) that we experienced a battle or a war or once every two seasons if we did not experience a battle or a war during that time. This is likely to become our new thing. Goblins play a significant role in combat, so they would likely fall under the same aging system once we get accustomed to it.

And the final thing before I finish this up, if people were interested I could start writing more for the goblins, trying to get some light shined on the little guys, after all they are a diverse race just like the orcs!

More lore for the goblins would be very welcome. It's a dwindling sub-race, always has been, and I'd really like to see it rise up there on par with orcs. We've got a few goblins still kicking around that can probably answer your questions better then I can. Brevias and Varag are two of them. The Grilo Clan is another, although I'm not sure how active they've been lately. Feel free to develop and post any lore you've got, although Mogroka and a few of us older orcs might want to nit-pick through it to make sure there's nothing that clashes with the lore. The orcs have a history of just writing our own lore and stuff and making it happen, so you're in good territory.

Edit: Blawharag also brought up a good point. Goblin machinery, to include war machines and traps, will still strive to kill honorably. It wouldn't use poison or immobilization and it would generally be geared for quick, clean kills. Orcs generally don't bother with torture and pro-longed maiming for pleasure, we take pleasure in the kill itself, rather than gloating over the drawn-out suffering of the weak. We generally prefer to make a clean kill and move onto the next target. We want our enemy strong when we fight them, so we generally wouldn't poison them or trap them in a hole and shoot arrows down at them for example. Goblin war machines blow holes in things and kill, traps simply kill.

[Jutra 51]

And Finally before I say my last statement, How do goblins age? Would they be similar to halflings, or perhaps would they be the same as the orcs?

Just to make it clear - Goblins are a mix of Orc and Elf - halfling are not part of thier genetic makeup.

Also - the other reason for speaking blah is it's easier to speak for an orc - your vocal cords etc are different then the other races and you have tusks that make saying some of the common words dang hard to do. Imagine trying to talk with both your fingers pulling each side of your month open. - you know that childhood thing where you put your fingers in your mouth and tried to say " hockey puck" - yeah well that's the equivalent with your tucks.

The others have given you some great advice. Good luck with your goblin, lore and all.

[Ned Lud 1260]

Imagine trying to talk with both your fingers pulling each side of your month open. - you know that childhood thing where you put your fingers in your mouth and tried to say " hockey puck" - yeah well that's the equivalent with your tucks.

And they wonder why orcs avoid kissing and foreplay.

[Sultan 3953]

It is untrue that OrcxElfs are Goblins, Goblins are just Goblins They were born form Goblin son of Krug, he was shorter than all of his brothers 4.5-6.5, but he was much smarter.

OrcxElf are mostly called Goblins but not all.

Why they are called Goblins is because OrcxElf usual are shorter than your typical orc.

[Jutra 51]

Yeah...Jutra's adoptive halfling family, prior to be bar-b-qued a la Pok, had quite a few scars on their faces from her early attempts to give kisses like everyone else. It was mutually decided that rubbing cheeks was a safer way for her to show affection since her tucks were a safter distance away from the other's face.

[Blawharag 277]

Just pointing out, Orc (tall) plus elf (tall) results in Goblin (shorter than either). Magic genetics is weird sometimes.

[The Cleaning Crew 571]

…as from what I see the goblin race can be classified as an extinct subrace/ race.

What? I'm a goblin and have met at least five others in the Strigzgoi. There's also a few that hang out in Salvus. WE ARE NOT EXTINCT! *shows intense racial pride*

[Redacted12345 29]

^^ This

[K'orr/Kungg <3 33]

There is a Goblin family called 'The Claws',

A list of the Claw family members:

Kungg Claw [Me]

Jingeh Claw

Jangle Claw

Rignus Claw

We'd be happy to welcome a new member to the family.

[Jingeh 278]

There is a Goblin family called 'The Claws',

A list of the Claw family members:

Kungg Claw [Me]

Jingeh Claw

Jangle Claw

Rignus Claw

We'd be happy to welcome a new member to the family.

Mah name is Jingle MAH NICKNAME is Jingeh >.>

Just felt like clearing that up...

"Gobbo Awayyyyy" *Floats into the distance*

[Urahra 5777]

What is it with goblins named with onomatopoeia? Jingle, Jingeh, Jangle...

Are Goblins Santa's helpers or something?

[Sultan 3953]

I think they are pinkys..