Creation Or Evolution? Vote!

[JtPv 140]

Do I need to explain what proof is again?

That was a bit cold

 

Also, you're not giving an argument.

 

I believe in evolution because it is the leading theory for the transition from non-life to life. Tell me why you believe in a creation. Tell me why you would WANT to believe in the christian god? You go to heaven so you can praise God? You know what that reminds me of? North Korea. And, in the words of the late Christopher Hitchens: 'But atleast you can f'ink die and leave [North Korea].'

In essence, the modern theory of evolution is easy to grasp. It can be summarized in a single (albeit slightly long) sentence: Life on earth evolved gradually beginning with one primitive species—perhaps a self-replicating molecule—that lived more than 3.5 billion years ago; it then branched out over time, throwing off many new and diverse species; and the mechanism for most (but not all) of evolutionary change is natural selection.

Proof: a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact

 

Also, I would just like to point out that, Space, if you don't know why we people are Christian, then you have no idea why people are Christian, you really have no idea of the basics of Religion. And don't even compare Christianity to North Korea. How exactly is it that we even compare in your head? The Church, those who support good and kindness, to, well, North Korea? And if you want to play the Vatican card, it's a hierarchy, not a dictatorship.  

[Wavejammers 328]

Many Christian people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a Space Core revolving about the sun in an perfect elliptical orbit nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the Space Core is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telecopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a Space Core were affirmed in Video Games, taught as the scared truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquistor in an earlier time

 

 

 

@JtPv

In repsone to North Korea, dear leader yada yada yada.

 

[CloakandDagger 134]

"God exists because a giraffe does."

 

I'm not quite sure how your somebody else's point disproves evolution. The modern day giraffe, Giraffa camelopardalis, is a member of the family Giraffidae. Girrafids first arose 8 million years ago in southern Europe, and the earliest known of these is the Climacoceras.

 

 

Note the short neck. The lengthening of the giraffids' neck is the result of selection pressures. Animals with longer than average necks can eat vegetation higher off the ground, and therefore survive when others do not, passing on their genes to the next generation. 

 

 

The gradual lengthening of girrafids' necks can be seen through the evolutionary ancestors of the modern day giraffe. Samotherium, seen below, has a slightly longer neck than Climacoceras.

 

 

Bohlinia, another ancestor, shows a lengthening of the neck over Samotherium.

 

 

Finally, we have Giraffa camelopardalis, the modern giraffe, which has the longest neck and limbs of all. Note: This is not a complete list of all of the evolutionary ancestors of the giraffe, just a few of them to illustrate my point.

 

 

In future, it would be nice if you put some effort into your arguments, rather than just copying and pasting something off the internet.

 

Do I need to explain what proof is again?

 

Also, you're not giving an argument.

 

I believe in evolution because it is the leading theory for the transition from non-life to life. Tell me why you believe in a creation. Tell me why you would WANT to believe in the christian god? You go to heaven so you can praise God? You know what that reminds me of? North Korea. And, in the words of the late Christopher Hitchens: 'But atleast you can f'ink die and leave [North Korea].'

 

First there aren't any "ancestors" of the giraffe alive today, and all we can do is piece together (what we think) is an ancestor of a giraffe. The flaws in this is such (and i'll use evolutionist arguments) the animal cannot actually be observed and therefore there is no (concrete) proof that it was an ancestor or existed at all. If you try to say that there are skeletons of such an animal and there by proving its existence I can tell you that, again all we have is a bunch of puzzle pieces which we have pieced together, which is still not an observation of such an animal; and this method has already led to some blunders with skeletons.

A refute might be " Well just because they're not walking the earth doesn't mean they didn't exist" -* remember that one...

This is true, as we can observe the once existence of what we call (dinosaurs) and now extinct species. Yet all we can observe about these no-longer-living-animals is a small fraction of what they were like; and it seems as though using this small fraction of information we try to explain a creatures entire physiology (or near to), In reference to the OP I'll say that it is commonly known that two types of Evolution exist, one that tries (but didn't originally) to explain the existence of Humans and all life, and the other which is to say that Animals will inherit traits passed down from their ancestors as a means to better live in a certain environment. As to the second case (which is held as fact by all) why cant it be said that the Giraffe evolved to suit its habitat? Did there exist an entire different species by which it had evolved? If so does this disprove a God that would have designed a creature to overcome an ever-changing habitat? 

Now that that rant is over... I should note that the leading belief as to how the Earth came into creation is that  A greater being made it so, I would reference this article also noting that the belief in God most likely isn't the only demographic covered in the percentage. As such when you say that you believe in Evolution because it is the leading explanation your statement is false. Noting that it is still false regardless if you believe Creationism to be a valid explanation.

My last retort would be to say that it is futile for me to try and change your minds about things, if one has a hardened heart or is unwilling to believe in a Loving God, then their is nothing I can do about that; My goal is simply to relay the information I have as it becomes relevant to discussion.

[JtPv 140]

@Oskar 

You missed this one.

[hammer01 29]

That's not anythnig AGAINST evolution, it's just proving the wonders that random mutations could create. And yes, forum bans are a hell of a drug.

 

 

Response to 1: Then tell us why you believe in a creator?

RESPONSE TO 2: I was just joshing you, I am not a biologist so I literally just read a few articles from it for my reply

RESPONZEE TO 3: Meh, I just like it when I can actually find PROOF of the statements, even though I trust ALL of you.

REEPONSEZ to 4: And when we find fossils of intermediate species, guess what happens? Now we have 2 gaps. That's a pointless arguement.

 

 

 

No, this isn't about compromise. Only when the human kind can unite will we travel to the stars (Vaguely familiar quote).

As promised, the textbook that i got this stuff from is called:  Exploring Creation with Biology:2nd edition by Wile and Durnell.

 

Response to Response to 4: the problem is we haven't found any  intermediate species that are indisputable... plus we have hundreds of thousands of gaps.... you would think we would find more, wouldn't you?

Way  i see it, Give me proof god exists, we have proof of evolution but no proof of god. (dont say the bible because that could have been written by a guy who got high)

Here is my proof for God, and yes it is in the Bible...

 

1. The Bible is composed of 66 books with over 40 authors written over 2000 years, all with the same message. Thus it wasn't written by just some guy.

2. The message behind the bible is different from any other religion. Can you think of any other religion where God came down and died to save us?

 

I could list more but this should at least get a response...

 

And how do we know that Dawkins isn't just some crazy man?

[Space 2335]

That was a bit cold

 

In essence, the modern theory of evolution is easy to grasp. It can be summarized in a single (albeit slightly long) sentence: Life on earth evolved gradually beginning with one primitive species—perhaps a self-replicating molecule—that lived more than 3.5 billion years ago; it then branched out over time, throwing off many new and diverse species; and the mechanism for most (but not all) of evolutionary change is natural selection.

Proof: a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact

 

Also, I would just like to point out that, Space, if you don't know why we people are Christian, then you have no idea why people are Christian, you really have no idea of the basics of Religion. And don't even compare Christianity to North Korea. How exactly is it that we even compare in your head? The Church, those who support good and kindness, to, well, North Korea? And if you want to play the Vatican card, it's a hierarchy, not a dictatorship.  

 

Ideas of the basics of religion? 2000 years ago; Explain unexplained things?

Now; People are afraid of eternal nothingness.

 

 

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OH YES, ANOTHER CAN OF WOOP ASS

 

Here is my proof for God, and yes it is in the Bible...

 

1. The Bible is composed of 66 books with over 40 authors written

over 2000 years, all with the same message. Thus it wasn't written by

just some guy.

2. The message behind the bible is different from any other religion. Can you think of any other religion where God came down and died to save us?

 

I could list more but this should at least get a response...

 

WELP, I AM TOO BUSY TO ACTUALLY SAY EM, SO! http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-like-figures-who-pre-date-jesus/

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Ideas of the basics of religion? 2000 years ago; Explain unexplained things?

Now; People are afraid of eternal nothingness.

Ok... lets take this one step at a time...

 

Question One: Do you believe that Humans are not perfect?

[Space 2335]

Ok... lets take this one step at a time...

 

Question One: Do you believe that Humans are not perfect?

 

Define perfection.

[JtPv 140]

Define perfection.

If you say so. Perfection: freedom from fault or defect

[Space 2335]

If you say so. Perfection: freedom from fault or defect

 

Mentally, physically?

[hammer01 29]

both

[Wavejammers 328]

@Oskar 

You missed this one.

-Richards book is in no way "Brainwashing" children as much as Bill himself, it's teaching them how to think, and not what to think unlike the Holy Bible or the Holy Koran and so on..

-I think Bill is the hypocrite because HE lies almost every day, because he can (Short story short, Fox news has the right to lie to people)  and because he thus breaks two of the comanmends that he pledge to hold.

-Why is the guy who have walked right up to people threathing to kill him, and began talking about the bads of religon a coward?

-The book does not "Mock" "God", Why? Because it gives as much time to explain the "Science Holes" in almost every major and minor religos, like the Norse ones and the aincent greek ones, it's like saying removing the penny, is a mock to money.

-Tigers don't blindly kill other tigers, just because they're atheist- The same goes for the Dictator + Atheism = Evil thing, all the queens and kings of europe have seen their people suffer under unfair threatment, starvation, sickness, death, lack of freedom, yet, the kings as queens got to church every day, making them even worse then Stalin, because when he were in charge, people atleast had free healthcare, had food enough to survive, and had jobs. Don't even forget the crusades in Jerusalem or the Norwegian kings crusade where they killed EVERYONE who didn't belive in christ, yet still you live in a free nation that is founded on a religon where people were threatened with death if they didn't join.

-Bill's "Pa-pa" said that religon is good for the people in things like lowering the crime, Look at Japan, Sweden, Norway and China, over 50% of the people do not belive in any gods, yet, all of those countries have some of the lowest crime rates. Now look at Iraq, Iran, USA, they have some of the highest crime rates, plus they're some of the most religous countries.

Or can we?

-I'm proud that Richard honestly says that he do not know, instead of people like Bill who explains everything with "God"

 

Sorry for spelling mistake, cus I am le tired.

[PtahWithin 1320]

both

I smell the Ontological Argument.

[Space 2335]

both

Nah d00d.

[Ventusyr 233]

Just because the theory of evolution occurred doesn't disprove the existence of God.

 

And for those of you saying both... There are four options...

 

I mean, God could have created deities, who created a superior alien race that came to Earth and manipulated organisms to evolve into intelligent life forms. I don't know. But then the answer would be "All four," not both.

 

Really, none of us will ever know what happened, unless we get a time machine. Scientists fiddling around with atomic colliders are able to trace the burst of energy within 0.000000001 milliseconds of the actual occurrence, but we can't figure out what the actual creation was.

 

And for those of you refuting the Bible as a historical source... It wasn't just a religious text, it was also a historical record. I'm not just talking about the Book of Genesis - which is compatible with a God-started-evolution-and-the-Big-Bang theory, since it has the order of species arrival right - but also the Book of Kings, the Book of Isaiah, and the Gospels. What makes those sources different from the historical documents of the Egyptians, which are affirmed by historians?

 

Also, in response to Oskar... Crime rates have nothing to do with religion. Most shootings in the US are due to gang-related activity, not fanatics. True, in the Middle East, jihadists seem to be messing everything up, but that doesn't have to do with the existence of God. They're just doing it wrong.

 

Not to say Islam is bad! It's the individuals, not the religion, that are bad.

 

Just as Richard Dawkins says about the connection between atheism and dictators is coincidental, so is that with terrorists and jihadist-Islam, or religion in general. And to say a religion in general is bad still doesn't disprove God or promote evolution as the cause of our creation.

 

Okay, I'm done.