Creation Or Evolution? Vote!

[Space 2335]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=whale%20ancestor&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CF4QtwIwCQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8cn0kf8mhS4&ei=eO4iUbu5MuGuiQKTqIDwBA&usg=AFQjCNH8cYDQZGR0BXBOv4dXr3U1lKqYRA&sig2=b_0-C6_jt8CsJVkv6mDLsg&bvm=bv.42661473,d.cGE

The evolution of the whale, starting with a LAND mammal.

 

... But whales don't walk. They swim. No whale has ever walked. A common ancestor of the whale walked.

 

Science with Space.

[Ventusyr 233]

An ancestor DID, which is what I said before. I apologize if you misunderstood, or if I said it incorrectly. Now, we weren't there when the ancestor walked, but finding bone sets with similar skulls led scientists to believe that an ancestor of the whale walked on land.

Back then, it was the whale, so my original statement is true.

[Space 2335]

An ancestor DID, which is what I said before. I apologize if you misunderstood, or if I said it incorrectly. Now, we weren't there when the ancestor walked, but finding bone sets with similar skulls led scientists to believe that an ancestor of the whale walked on land.

Back then, it was the whale, so my original statement is true.

 

No, the ancestor that mainly walked before a whale was probably a Pakicetus. Not a whale. But I digress. Back to the topic of the debate. Are you trying to say that the fact that we believe some things that we didn't witness and don't believe some things because we haven't witnessed it is hypocritical?

[Ventusyr 233]

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. You seem to be picking and choosing, because nobody is alive to say, "Yah, daz true" for the evolution of the whale, but we do have records from ancient Israelites and the Old Testament of a God directly interacting with notable figures who were historically real. Really, any account from the past is iffy about its origins, because nobody is alive to confirm it.

I'd also like to see some of your beloved proof for the creation of a life-filled Earth without a creator. I certainly believe in the adaptation of creatures, but that is after life arrived on Earth.

[Space 2335]

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. You seem to be picking and choosing, because nobody is alive to say, "Yah, daz true" for the evolution of the whale, but we do have records from ancient Israelites and the Old Testament of a God directly interacting with notable figures who were historically real. Really, any account from the past is iffy about its origins, because nobody is alive to confirm it.

I'd also like to see some of your beloved proof for the creation of a life-filled Earth without a creator. I certainly believe in the adaptation of creatures, but that is after life arrived on Earth.

 

Please show me reliable sources, because I have done a bit of research and I can't find really anything. Although, my research was specifically the life of Jesus. We aren't using eye witness accounts, because eye witness accounts are unrealiable. We're using gene's and fossils and shiz.

 

That's the wonder of science. We don't know. But we're sure as hell trying to figure out.

 

[Ventusyr 233]

The engraving of Pilates name on a Roman structure in Israel. The foundations of the castle of King Herod. Remains left of various people who were part of Jesus' life. However, Jesus himself was a homeless wanderer who did no leave any material remnants other than that of words spoken to witnesses. But I digress, as that has nothing to do with Earth's creation. God, who would not need any materials to create the world, didn't leave anything behind to signify his hand in things.

You are making the mistake of separating religion and science. Archeological digs by Christians - or other monotheistic faiths - search for clues that point to the supporting creationism theories.

But you can't really disprove creationism by proving evolutionary theory, nor vice versa. They may both be true.

[Wavejammers 328]

But you can't really disprove creationism by proving evolutionary theory, nor vice versa. They may both be true.

That's nonsense, creationism was designed to be undisproveable, you should learn about the flying spaghetti monster, it has a good moral.

[Praetor 1550]

Jesus really existed, thats historically proven.

Now if he was really the son of god or some enlightened or crazy man we don't know. To be honest this debate is kinda pointless in the end.

You'll believe what you want to believe and arguing about your religious beliefs (or not) won't be getting you anywhere.

[Ventusyr 233]

No matter how long we argue, we won't sway each other's beliefs, I can gauruntee that. Even if proof presented itself of a God actually doing stuff, atheists wouldn't begin to worship him. If proof presented itself that the Big Bang happened without a creator, God would still be the center of worship for many. Debating about it won't change anything.

And Oskar, just because it's undisprovable doesn't make it nonsense. And I will learn about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it seems interesting.

[PtahWithin 1320]

No matter how long we argue, we won't sway each other's beliefs, I can gauruntee that. Even if proof presented itself of a God actually doing stuff, atheists wouldn't begin to worship him. If proof presented itself that the Big Bang happened without a creator, God would still be the center of worship for many. Debating about it won't change anything.

And Oskar, just because it's undisprovable doesn't make it nonsense. And I will learn about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it seems interesting.

I posted a few pages back about Our Noodly Lord.

 

Open Letter To Kansas School Board

I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design.

Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.

It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith.

Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence.

What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.

I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.

You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism (Pastafarianism), and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.

Sincerely Yours,

Bobby Henderson, concerned citizen.

P.S. I have included an artistic drawing of Him creating a mountain, trees, and a midget. Remember, we are all His creatures.

[Old-Rattlesnake 1534]

Humans are, on occasion, born with rare mutations eluding to our prehistoric origins. People being born with tails is a very good example of this, but stranger things (a man being born with a 2-valved reptile heart) have happened. This is pretty definite proof of evolution for me, even if I had already accepted the theory beforehand due to the evidence we've been provided.

[Lago 2572]

How about lets not start up a religious debate. It will only end in people being offended.

Second post of this thread. How right this man was.

[Space 2335]

No matter how long we argue, we won't sway each other's beliefs, I can gauruntee that. Even if proof presented itself of a God actually doing stuff, atheists wouldn't begin to worship him. If proof presented itself that the Big Bang happened without a creator, God would still be the center of worship for many. Debating about it won't change anything.

And Oskar, just because it's undisprovable doesn't make it nonsense. And I will learn about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it seems interesting.

 

I dunno about everyone, but if proof came that a intelligent designer was real, and it was scientifically acceptable, I'd accept that.

[Ventusyr 233]

I dunno about everyone, but if proof came that a intelligent designer was real, and it was scientifically acceptable, I'd accept that.

Then you are a very mature atheist, and I respect you.

And Oskar... I personally think that, as the writer said, multiple theories should be taught alongside evolution, including the Flysing Spaghetti Monster. It shouldn't be teaching students one theory, which, as many people have complained about both creationism and Darwinism, "brainwashes" children. Rather, students should be allowed to draw their own conclusions.

Thanks for the document! A very interesting read.

[The Cleaning Crew 571]

Let's look at this like a scientist. What's the smallest thing you can think of? The smallest thing I can think of is an electron. What can I say? I don't pay attention in that class. Now, you can keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Eventually, you just have waves of energy. Waves of energy are basically nothing, which means that everything is made up of nothing. This is where the phrase, "All is an illusion," comes from.

 

When I look at religion, I always try to remember that. Considering everything is made of nothing, and therefore nothing should really exist, I believe anything is possible. One person's theory on how the world came to be is just as viable as the next person's. I just try to go with the flow. I believe in evolution, but I make a nod to whatever all-knowing creator might be out there every once in a while with a prayer or some other form of acknowledgement. 

 

That's my take on it, at least.