Creation Or Evolution? Vote!

[Wavejammers 328]

This debate needs this question again.

Please tell me what you believe the theory of evolution is. No seriously, state in your own words what you think the theory of evolution is.

Only after this can we say how badly informed you are and try to correct it.

Big bang.

Bacteria.

Multi bacteria creature evolve into little land lizard, or plants, or fish, and so on.

Dinosaurs

Dinosaur begins adapt to smaller birds.

Comet go boom.

Mamals and few birds survive.

More evelution.

Now.

[Space 2335]

^ Random mutations and later on natural selection lead to the progression over hundreds of millions of years, too long for any of us to comprehend, make single cell bacteria to us, in our many cell glory.

 

It doesn't have anything to do with anything other then that. Like no big bang or asteroid stuff.

[Wavejammers 328]

@JtPv

Most of the people you noted there lived in an age where if you didn't got to church, you would be murdered.

[Ventusyr 233]

Still no evidence to disprove a creator...

And those people listed were the best minds in history. It doesn't matter that some of them would have been persecuted if they didn't go to church, and many of them were persecuted. It was that they saw their findings as more proof in a creator, and they actually did believe.

[Wavejammers 328]

Still no evidence to disprove a creator...

It's impossible to disprove a christian god, why?

If you've ever read the theory of Russell's teapot, he stated that it was just about too small for us to see, even with the best telecopes of all time, therefore no one could say he was wrong. That's like "God", because because he have "superpowers", he can do anything, he can be invisible, he can feed the entire world, he can create himself out of nothing and make an entire universe in one day, fill it with a single of 100.000.000.000.000^x planets with water the other, and so on. So he can use his powers to make himself un disproveable.

 

However, we science can't prove that big bang existed, because no animal nor human were so old, and if someone said they have seen the big bag, scientist would have laughed at him or her, because that's clearly a lie.

 

It's sad that people can't differ between complete bollocks written down in a book and scientific theories.

 

That's the problem I have with religon.

[TheFrigg 6]

Atheists can't disprove religion. Religion can't prove religion with physical evidence. Religion can't disprove Atheism due to the mountain of physical evidence. Atheists can't definitively prove Atheism but can make a reasonable guess on its truth due to the mountain of evidence. All in all, religion can't be disproved, Atheism can't be disproved, only Atheism has a mountain of real evidence, religion doesn't. I know my choice.

[Space 2335]

Atheists can't disprove religion. Religion can't prove religion with physical evidence. Religion can't disprove Atheism due to the mountain of physical evidence. Atheists can't definitively prove Atheism but can make a reasonable guess on its truth due to the mountain of evidence. All in all, religion can't be disproved, Atheism can't be disproved, only Atheism has a mountain of real evidence, religion doesn't. I know my choice.

 

The scientific method man, the scientific method. If there's not evidence, it's probably not correct until we find that evidence.

[Ventusyr 233]

Unless you consider the Bible as a true historical record. It isn't necessarily bollocks.

[Wavejammers 328]

Unless you consider the Bible as a true historical record. It isn't necessarily bollocks.

What if the Koran is a historical true book? What if the scandinavian folklore is true? What if The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti monster is true?

Or what if people thought for themselves and looked at the facts and theories of evolution, thus when everything comes to an end, a looking the word Theory up in a dictionary.

[Space 2335]

Unless you consider the Bible as a true historical record. It isn't necessarily bollocks.

Almost all of the people that talked about Jesus didn't even live during the same time. It's not as credible as people think.

[Ventusyr 233]

The Koran was indeed written by a man named Muhammad. He was a historically real person, but the Koran is not a historical text. It is a religious text of messages from God to man. Scandanavian folklore includes the theory of the world being part of a giant universe-tree, which, from the analysis of the cosmos through telescopes, we can see isn't true. I've never heard of a Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I'm not sure why one would want to worship it.

Evolution does not exclude God! That's what I've been saying this entire time! Evolution certainly has mountains of evidence, with the progression of one species into another through adaptation. Darwin's theory of evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the universe. The Big Bang may have certainly happened, but nobody was there to see it. The observation we have that suggests the Bang is a cosmic movement outwards. The Big Bang may have also been instigated by God.

The definition(s) of "theory."

1

: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

2

: abstract thought : speculation

3

: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>

4

a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn>

b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>

5

: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>

6

a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation

b : an unproved assumption : conjecture

c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

According to these definitions, I present you with the Torah and the New Testament, as well as other ancient Hebrew texts, as the collected observations of God. However, you've already rejected owe as "bollocks," even though I seriously doubt you were there thousands of years ago to disprove it, so make of it what you will.

[Space 2335]

The Koran was indeed written by a man named Muhammad. He was a historically real person, but the Koran is not a historical text. It is a religious text of messages from God to man. Scandanavian folklore includes the theory of the world being part of a giant universe-tree, which, from the analysis of the cosmos through telescopes, we can see isn't true. I've never heard of a Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I'm not sure why one would want to worship it.

Evolution does not exclude God! That's what I've been saying this entire time! Evolution certainly has mountains of evidence, with the progression of one species into another through adaptation. Darwin's theory of evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the universe. The Big Bang may have certainly happened, but nobody was there to see it. The observation we have that suggests the Bang is a cosmic movement outwards. The Big Bang may have also been instigated by God.

The definition(s) of "theory."

1

: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

2

: abstract thought : speculation

3

: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>

4

a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn>

b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>

5

: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>

6

a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation

b : an unproved assumption : conjecture

c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

According to these definitions, I present you with the Torah and the New Testament, as well as other ancient Hebrew texts, as the collected observations of God. However, you've already rejected owe as "bollocks," even though I seriously doubt you were there thousands of years ago to disprove it, so make of it what you will.

 

The problem with them is NOBODY is alive to say 'Yah, daz tru.' So you can't take anything from it when there is no verification that it is true.

 

'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.'

[Ventusyr 233]

Nobody is alive to say the whale once walked on land. There are only a few sets of skeletons with some similarities, with a theory formed that they are part of the same ancestral trail.

And in response to your earlier post about Jesus, the written accounts were made using the statements of the apostles and other witnesses. It is theorized the first Gospels were written at around eighty years after Jesus death, though it could have been earlier and the accounts written just after Jesus' death. We weren't there, though, so we can't really say.

[Space 2335]

Nobody is alive to say the whale once walked on land. There are only a few sets of skeletons with some similarities, with a theory formed that they are part of the same ancestral trail.

And in response to your earlier post about Jesus, the written accounts were made using the statements of the apostles and other witnesses. It is theorized the first Gospels were written at around eighty years after Jesus death, though it could have been earlier and the accounts written just after Jesus' death. We weren't there, though, so we can't really say.

Well, even if people lived for eternity, I don't think they'd ever have seen any whales walking. JUST SAYING.

[Ventusyr 233]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=whale%20ancestor&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CF4QtwIwCQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8cn0kf8mhS4&ei=eO4iUbu5MuGuiQKTqIDwBA&usg=AFQjCNH8cYDQZGR0BXBOv4dXr3U1lKqYRA&sig2=b_0-C6_jt8CsJVkv6mDLsg&bvm=bv.42661473,d.cGE

The evolution of the whale, starting with a LAND mammal.