Kickstarted and Running 965 Share Posted June 2, 2012 This is dumb really. It has turned to children bickering, and kind of disappointing. I have seen perfect reasoning for this. Ever, you have complained on and on about every reasoning, while Ursolon has been kind enough to change it for you, many times. Despite this Ever, what sense does it make for a community to have some empty tower where there is a potential threat, right on your doorstep? Ever, if you were the leader of a town, and you loved your people and did things for your people, would you leave them at the risk of attack from someone, or something not even an hours walk away? No, you wouldn't. Now I want both of you to stop bickering, and wait for Mogroka to say what he has to at, and give his verdict. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever 2648 Share Posted June 2, 2012 This is dumb really. It has turned to children bickering, and kind of disappointing. I have seen perfect reasoning for this. Ever, you have complained on and on about every reasoning, while Ursolon has been kind enough to change it for you, many times. Despite this Ever, what sense does it make for a community to have some empty tower where there is a potential threat, right on your doorstep? Ever, if you were the leader of a town, and you loved your people and did things for your people, would you leave them at the risk of attack from someone, or something not even an hours walk away? No, you wouldn't. Now I want both of you to stop bickering, and wait for Mogroka to say what he has to at, and give his verdict. 1. I have pointed out the flaws in his reasoning. It is far from perfect. 2. He didn't change it at my request. It was changed so that the claim could still stand. 3. I've been waiting for Mogroka's response for quite awhile now. I understand that he can be busy but I really don't think you can just come in here and stop both sides from conversing for a day or two. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickstarted and Running 965 Share Posted June 2, 2012 1. I have pointed out the flaws in his reasoning. It is far from perfect. 2. He didn't change it at my request. It was changed so that the claim could still stand. 3. I've been waiting for Mogroka's response for quite awhile now. I understand that he can be busy but I really don't think you can just come in here and stop both sides from conversing for a day or two. This is turning into a flame war quickly, and if the bickering continues, I can make sure this thread sits vacant. I don't want two players, who are both respected members, to be resorted to bickering. I also don't see how you have a claim to the tower, even though it is kind of you to defend it. It is actually very kind of you, as the real owner is busy. That being said, why would you leave your people at the threat of some tower you can't even get to? I don't see why he can't have have it anyway, he is RPly looking out for his people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever 2648 Share Posted June 2, 2012 1. This is in no way a flame war. Neither side is insulting the other in any way. Please stop calling it a flame war. 2. I suppose it could be considered bickering. Even so, both sides are offering arguments that are at least decently constructed. Until it totally devolves into a flame war (which I do not foresee happening), I really think you should stop calling it that. 3. I have perms to the tower. I helped the one who owns it now purchase it about 4-5 months ago. We purchased it directly from a GM because they didn't really want players owning it. It remained a mysterious tower all this time. 4. The tower has stood for... what, how long have we been in Asulon? I don't know. All the time it has stood, no harm has come from it. It may be creepy, it may be mysterious, but no one has ever gone missing, nor killed, nor sacrificed by the owner of the tower. At first the tower was thought to be empty, now everyone is going on and on about how it's a threat. Arguments are changing too fast for this claim to remain valid. I said I wanted it to be a watchtower because I didn't want to have people metagaming our plans for the tunnels. Between the tower's region and the region I have perms to, there is roughly a 25 block gap. Something can be done about this. I added more RP for our reasoning because Mogroka requested it. If you had read it, you would have noticed that the mob is shouting about legends and stories. Not that they have seen her mending the garden on sunday afternoons. Superstitious peasants combined with ill tidings will cause very drastic actions to be taken. I've also said that the tower is in a wonderful locations because, should we connect all the tunnels, it will create a square. Linking the tower, the ruins, the Great Hall and the keep in Ursakar ( Which is to become the military barracks ). Someone said "Build it 20 blocks to the left!". Rules state that a region cannot exist within a certain number of blocks of one another. 20 blocks is too close and going 100 blocks out will defeat the purpose of the watchtower aspect ( Again, this doesn't mean sitting atop it waiting for someone to come by. It can serve as a barracks for a few bannermen and be a way to intercept them in the woods, rather than in the town. ) The point still stands that YOU CANNOT BUILD A TUNNEL unless you get perms to all of Mallowlyn. This is not a war claim. This is a claim for expanding your village by forcing your way into Mallowlyn territory. You should probably also declare war on the Gypsies if you want Mallowlyn land. You CANNOT BUILD A TUNNEL because of plot limitations. FOR THOSE WAITING FOR A POST BY LUNA/SERAH:She sent me an e-mail. She'll be posting sometime tonight between 9 PM EST and like 4 AM EST. Just sit tight till then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickstarted and Running 965 Share Posted June 2, 2012 1. This is in no way a flame war. Neither side is insulting the other in any way. Please stop calling it a flame war. 2. I suppose it could be considered bickering. Even so, both sides are offering arguments that are at least decently constructed. Until it totally devolves into a flame war (which I do not foresee happening), I really think you should stop calling it that. 3. I have perms to the tower. I helped the one who owns it now purchase it about 4-5 months ago. We purchased it directly from a GM because they didn't really want players owning it. It remained a mysterious tower all this time. 4. The tower has stood for... what, how long have we been in Asulon? I don't know. All the time it has stood, no harm has come from it. It may be creepy, it may be mysterious, but no one has ever gone missing, nor killed, nor sacrificed by the owner of the tower. At first the tower was thought to be empty, now everyone is going on and on about how it's a threat. Arguments are changing too fast for this claim to remain valid. The point still stands that YOU CANNOT BUILD A TUNNEL unless you get perms to all of Mallowlyn. This is not a war claim. This is a claim for expanding your village by forcing your way into Mallowlyn territory. You should probably also declare war on the Gypsies if you want Mallowlyn land. You CANNOT BUILD A TUNNEL because of plot limitations. FOR THOSE WAITING FOR A POST BY LUNA/SERAH:She sent me an e-mail. She'll be posting sometime tonight between 9 PM EST and like 4 AM EST. Just sit tight till then. Would you prefer it locked until we get her to respond? And this could very easily turn into a flame war. I have seen it happen. But regarsless, I think this should be locked until further notice. Who else agrees? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever 2648 Share Posted June 2, 2012 If you get this locked, you effectively stop the 'defence team' from doing their job. Then the claim becomes completely one sided. How about this: Lock it when it BECOMES a flame war. It is no way near one at the moment. Until then, please stop pushing for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmrsmoothx 317 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Would you prefer it locked until we get her to respond? And this could very easily turn into a flame war. I have seen it happen. But regarsless, I think this should be locked until further notice. Who else agrees? I don't. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickstarted and Running 965 Share Posted June 2, 2012 The point of it is, we should wait for the person who is supposed to post to post, and then Mogroka. I can see how this could very easily turn bad is all I am saying now. Concerning the war claim, I could care less if this happened or not. Both cases are vaild on certain points. But RP should come first. That is a general rule of the server. We are an RP server after all. But concnerning regions, Ursolon HAS contridicted himself. The only way yhe tunnels could work is if you either had perms to the entire region, or made another region. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever 2648 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I ask that Mogroka hold off on making a final verdict till Serah posts then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursolon 197 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 I don't really want all of the woods... As for the Nawari, I had came into their TS channel and warned them that a war claim may be up for their camp soon, this was a couple weeks ago. However, that was when I didn't play a major role in Ursakar. Now... Lugar ( Balian ) still wants the Nawari camp, but as long as I am here, I won't let that happen. There is a difference between this single building which houses an inactive player and an entire culture that revolves around being independent. As long as I can help it, the Nawari will not be attacked by Ursakar or the Duchy of Norjun. Mallowyn is a beautiful biome. Again, as long as I can help it, they won't be claimed by Ursakar or Norjun. Please don't use these assumptions for your defense, they're not helping you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever 2648 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Stop ignoring the fact that you cannot a.) build tunnels without having perms to more than just the tower, b.) the tower's plot size will not allow you to build tunnels, and c.) the fact that you are destroying the tower in the 'mystery and majesty' sense. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursolon 197 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 As for the land needed to connect the regions, if need be we can purchase the 25 or do blocks in between the two regions from the monks. The Mallowyn woods belong to them after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viscen 356 Share Posted June 2, 2012 (More people should take a breath and read a topic like this.) http://www.lordofthecraft.net/forum/index.php?/topic/49241-my-thesis-on-improving-lotc/page__p__373294__hl__thesis__fromsearch__1#entry373294 Both sides of this argument seem to taking the ordeal too far. If Ursolon's character wishes to take the tower, then so be it. He has his mind set ICly, and using OOC means is simply hindering RP. Instead of incessantly bickering over a single watchtower on the forums, take it in-character. Think on how it will advance the story of your character, rather than preparing to lament a possible loss. This tower could easily be taken, yes, but there is always an opening for retaliation. Just my two cents. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxorlord 3 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I've read this post and all responses top to bottom, and I see there is a MAJOR problem with the two parties arguements. The first part of the problem is, the witch is inactive. I know this could change rather quickly, but the offensive party does have an advantage in that respect. The second part is, Ever is talking about the magic and mystery in the tower's ownership being of that in a witch. Ursolon has made this war claim to protect the Noble family from assassins. My heart goes out to Ever and the Witch, this place looks amazing. But Ursolon's village does have a valid point. Just this 'lil orcs opinion on things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ricktador 1394 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Oh silly you! Orcs aren't intelligent enough to have an opinion! lol jk =) Joking aside, this war claim is in the active war claims. Does no one see this? Mog's verdict has been given without posting. This will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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