To Beach The Whale

[Acornlad 206]

[[My house was robbed what was it maybe 1 irl day ago? And my character was sick of the robbing as he lost alot valuables that day, I gathered with Barry and we decided to lock down the boat again as we had spoken about it in the past. You can all probaly remember when it was locked maybe around 1 month ago till 1 week ago, we tested it being open 1 elven week and see how it went and then I got robbed resulting that all my valuables were/are gone so we got rid of it again ;)]]

[Honestly you boarding up your boat shouldn't be a problem, it just allows us to burn you boat down much easier. But the fact that you would board up your boat because you are being robbed doesn't make sense. The logical thing a leader of a city would do is to higher and train more guards, and lock your rooms and chests down, a leader wouldn't sacrifice tourism and trade for a few lost items, unless your character isn't very logical or intelligent.]

[lemontide331 1615]

Actually no meta involed, maybe if you was pointlesly attacked 5 times a day you would understand shutting the boat down actually works, well... unless a few of of them have soulstones set within the city that is...

Attacked five times a day? I have been at Skravia a couple times this week and NOT once seen a bandit attack in anyway.

Also, closing the boat down for ONE robbery is just pathetic. Also, why specifically at this time when you had all the freedom and liberty to do it before.

About the chests - It's hard to believe that Alakabam's chests have actually been broken into as the last time I attempted to break in, he got told on skype and told me to Get the **** out OOC'ly.

Or, if Alakabam is referring to that one chest on the middle floor. That had no valuables inside and was done around 1 and a half week ago. In-case you're wondering, I used the princess to get me inside.

[Daniel 88]

Actually no meta involed, maybe if you was pointlesly attacked 5 times a day you would understand shutting the boat down actually works, well... unless a few of of them have soulstones set within the city that is...

Please, why would you shut down the boat in this case for just one man. Secondly why specifically at this time when you had all the freedom and liberty to do it before.

[EpicSmith 56]

(( To be fair... it's kinda obvious that Skravia would be attacked again. For example, my character has been told multiple times over the last week that Skravia will fall... if that doesn't make you suspicious then you're obviously not fit to run a city. I also like to point out I had no idea the boat had been closed at all. ))

[Daniel 88]

(( To be fair... it's kinda obvious that Skravia would be attacked again. For example, my character has been told multiple times over the last week that Skravia will fall... if that doesn't make you suspicious then you're obviously not fit to run a city. I also like to point out I had no idea the boat had been closed at all. ))

You seriously believe in a IRL situation that a king will shut down his whole boat and not let anyone in because of some rumors people have heard. That would be insane

[Space 2335]

God you are a conceited bunch aren't you?

[Alakabam 582]

Ermm, yes you did, you quoted "precious items". and included "Arent warclaims for fun and not for items?]]"

[[i stated facts about the warclaim and how they should be acted upon I never included you bunch in those rules or statements. Now for the precious items, why would you otherwise make a warlclaim only pillaging.]]

[Grizzly Druid 67]

Please, why would you shut down the boat in this case for just one man. Secondly why specifically at this time when you had all the freedom and liberty to do it before.

We unanchored it a few days ago, and then trouble came again so we decided it would be best to shut it down again because everyone within to city is annoyed because we spend a large amount of time dealing with bandits and have no other time for our own Rp, the only thing we do is try to solve bandits and kidnappers, trust me i've been with skravia since the beginning and since that boat was set up its been nothing but constant trouble, i think to people within the city can actually agree on some level.

[lemontide331 1615]

(( To be fair... it's kinda obvious that Skravia would be attacked again. For example, my character has been told multiple times over the last week that Skravia will fall... if that doesn't make you suspicious then you're obviously not fit to run a city. I also like to point out I had no idea the boat had been closed at all. ))

If it's so obvious you're going to be attacked, why hasn't there been any guards patrolling Skravia during this week?

[EpicSmith 56]

(( I pointed out in the above post that I was not part of the decision to close the boat, i was just giving an example. It wasn't just rumours i've had death threats and warnings for my safety ))

[BannanaToYou 196]

((Guys stop arguing, and because you've been told Skravia will fall doesn't mean Subudai are coming. Stop arguing, this has been accepted. There's no reason to post on here anymore.

As brother of the leader of the Ulfgar. I want this to be locked.))

[Aelvus 15]

Oi, skravians, relax the RP here is solid, if anything you can trust me. The reasoning behind what the Subudai are doing is stable, there is no chance (so far) of anyone in skravia knowing it, as everyone consented OOC to not doing so, (not alowwed to lie ooc). And on top of that, Some of you know who I am, and that I wouldn't support this if I didn't think it had base and was stable. We honestly are not doing this for the items, we are doing this to centralize the player base, that was what the subudai is for. I bid you all good day, and godspeed in our upcoming encounter. ~Matt out.

[Samson Option 9652]

I request all of my players to stop posting, do not bring yourselves to the levels that have been reached in this thread.

I will address the Skravians, this is a pillage, it is meant to be a tactical surprise attack, Mogroka has accepted and acknowledged my strategy to achieve such. I will accept that normal Skravian citizenry are within Skravia and I have been enough to notice players such as Barry Johnson, Alakabam, yayfunfun6, Space of Aids, etc. I will not tolerate others randomly showing up, nor 'allies called beforehand'. Do not metagame this information, I will be going through Skravia to see if signs or talks are being passed along. Do not ruin the fragile sanctity of War Claims. I will not change the times as what you seem to not realize is that we ARE NOT sieging Skravia for Conquest.

This is not for the lulz nor for 'Minecraft Items', such slander I will not have said against me or others. When players say this, it makes for noticing that such players 'hate to lose'. What you do not realize however is that I may possible give an RP offer that, reluctantly to be given due to your bickering and insulting of me for writing this War Claim; may give you a 'chance to win' if you RPly act intelligent. Alakabam, I request you retract that insult about us just doing it TO WIN and FOR ITEMS. Your disrespect disgusts me and your insults sully the efforts of players. There is a reason many players are not willing and are shy to try and bring new Lore, new RP to LotC; it is because players like you make such slanderous claims backed by no evidence. Unfortunate it is.

[Soran 11]

((Alright I am tired of this petty arguing. First of all I am tired of all these "insults" against Skravia.

To me it seems like very little discussion has happened with the two parties involved in the sense of timing. From my point I am fine with it but many are not as what has come out of this. Saying that essentially Skravia is going to be "burned" to the ground and a large portion can't even RP or do anything in regards to it seems unfair. There is nothing to change it but it doesn't matter anyway because regardless of the outcome the victory will be Pyrrhic anyway, I can tell you that now. Both in this current event and in the long war that will follow and I can guarantee will occur.

There are IC reasons as to why Skravia even in its weak state was never attacked even though any nation on paper could easily overpower it. So thinking that this is going to be a one and done, well you're wrong. I of course will state some but the rest you will discover on your own.

First of all the boat being boarded up, let Native speak of the date on that. And I don't see how that is a problem anyway since you would be building your "own" boat to get to Skravia. Plus you can be TPed there anyway. No excuses there, not like a armored mob would be allowed on the boat anyway ;p

I know the idea is to "centralize" the player base. Skravia is just going to rebuild, move and strike back. The whole purpose of Skravia was so that we didn't have to live under the mainland nobles' "thumbs".You can burn Skravia to the ground, kill as many people as you want but thinking we will move ourselves closer to those we moved away from in the first place is fairly silly. The wilderness is our domain, we have many more places deeper in the wilderness and we will move to these havens and rebuild and we will gladly take as many survivors with us as well ;)

If you know anything about Skravia it is that when pushed they are fanatical (I believe I mentioned only a partial explanation prior.)

Almost bushido-esque fanaticism, and I can also tell you that they are going to go straight for those calling the shots i.e the leaders.

Skravian's aren't stupid, the whole Skravia war doctrine has always been essentially to "remove the head f the snake" so the body will follow. And do you know why they will know who to kill? Because they are going to look for the ones shouting directions at the warbands. Which of course with all armies someone has to...and odds are they will be leading any assault on the city for glory and whatnot. And I think this would be known as to how "thorough" people have been in their "research" on Skravia.

So the civilians aren't going to fight "fair", they are going to fight as dirty as possible. This is a battle for survival after all, and Skravia was and is a place where people have struggled to survive. They are going to separate you, force you into awkward fighting positions. I can pretty much say that behind most doors there will more than likely be someone with a knife waiting to stab your eyes out.

If you expect a surprise "attack" to be so devastating that everything is going to be thrown into disarray for the entire period, well not if they are fighting for their homes and very lives. All the petty bandit attacks, threats on lives, kings and invasions have always kept people on edge. They don't expect something to happen but they know what to do if it does...they have known for quite some time. Sorry to disappoint but this isn't going to end in mere minutes.

To say that we aren't going to be able to muster a force is fairly silly. Skravia is the army. You aren't fighting some petty military force you seem to think we have, namely because we never had a military force. We never needed one solely because of the fanatical loyalty to Skravia and the "freedoms" she provides. So if all of a sudden a bunch of armored foreigners start rowing their little row-boats towards shore or marching through the gates, do you honestly believe there will be mass panic? The biggest fear in Skravia has always been foreign invasion, people have been preparing for ages; stockpiling weaponry, armors, training. It may not be the most advanced or well trained force but I can assure you they will know what to do when you walk through those gates.

In other words, some will simply use their fists if necessary to hold you off while others flee to their armories or war-chests to gather what they need to fight for their homes. They don't need leadership, they don't need mustering. You all should have known this by now that Skravians never panicked or ran. They either try to find a peaceful solution or act on their own accord in a massive armed mob. I think some of the bandits can attest to that fact as well. And I am surprised that quality was never even considered either.

Skravia has never been fought on their home-soil which leads a huge question as to how they will fight. And how willing they are to die for their homes.

I can also tell you that regardless of the outcome, the Subudai are not going to go unscathed for a simple reason in the future.

I will reveal the most important aspect of that here of course that has been Soran's other brain child (the other being the Iron Clad.)

The reveal of Subudai attacks on the Eastern landmasses will finally solidify the Eastern Coalition which is something I have been personally working on since March. It's essentially the unification of the Eastern Towns and Nations against foreign invasion. I think some of you know what NATO was in the 50s-60s think of it like that but much more successful. It's purpose is to protect our ways of life from lets say the Holy Oren Empire, which many feel are a future threat on our side of the pond.

Of course, Soran hasn't pressed any of the Elven towns or the Nation itself with the big question. But with now the actual threat of foreign invasions present and the simple knowledge that together as a unified

force we are much stronger (and we have no reasons to go to war with each other) more will join the cause.

And attacking us will push the bench sitters over to joining (the only excuse to not join so far has been why? No one has ever attacked the Wildlands?) as they will see a legitimate threat to their existence.

And more than likely you will end up attacking another Coalition town or raid a larger city in the wilds...forcing the EC to play our hand and counter-attack as you would be deemed a threat. Of course, it won't be instant. It would take a few more years of planning, mustering forces and ship-building before any retaliation goes out in terms of offensive measures.

Defense wise, once this happens, it will be like kicking a hornet nest. Everyone will be on their guards, scouting and building up defenses now that a threat is real. And I can then finally finish the damn RP post for the coalition and post it :P

Personally I still like the raid idea, I am not liking how people are acting about it in here. I also don't like the fact that people seem to assume that Skravia is a bunch of idiots that run around like chickens without heads. And I hate the insults flying around as well. For whatever reason there is a-lot of OOC spite between several people, I really hope this isn't going to show in the RP (I have been called in for work so I am going to ask for some to fraps what goes on and Screenies). I am no way innocent either in arguing with some people but then again enough is enough.

kthxbai and have fun for the love of god.))

((Gaius puts it best, lets just end this now and see where it goes. I doubt it will go as sour as people seem to say it will (including myself at times). And no, nothing has been said or posted about this Raid happening ICly. You won't see an armored mob waiting for you at the gates or wherever you come from. People will be armed, some may be armored (we do have hunters after all :P) and by the time the actual fight escalates people that manage to get away from the initial slaughter will more than likely pull out what they can from their armories.

And I am not going to point fingers here but if you feel there is a problem with MGing, instead of making accusations, creating blame etc make a BR. That goes for all of us now so unless we are going to back up these claims then there is no reason to continually jabber on about it because it looks like people are just trying to out-lie each other if nothing is being posted...))

[Space 2335]

They jut mad cause we styling on them.

That's the end of y trolling. Soran gave great points. half of you camel bandits and subudai (They the same?) seem to think that Skravia is some ses pool of meta and powergaming. No, it's not. It's a hubof GMT friendly RP, not some stomping pot that you can freely insult.

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