Punished_Pup

I feel like these statements are both correct and wrong at the same time, I honestly enjoy my experience more when I’m interacting with people I know but sometimes I find some people will try drag you into stuff that you don’t wanna get involved with or don’t wanna deal with.

This just reminds me of LittleBigPlanet Lore wtf.

In all seriousness, I think this a good message but as AstriaS and Xarkly said it is a bit more nuanced than a message like this seemingly describes. Though, as much as I love to scream about upper management being the cause of whatever issue is happening, I don’t frankly believe they have a part in it. I tend to isolate myself from most groups mainly because on this server once you make a name or have one given to you, you are gonna be stuck with the rep you’ve manage to garner, good or bad, true or false. I found out recently one of my friends found out he was **** talked and the only reason I can muster in my mind is because he had interactions with a certain player, and I find that just low key pathetic, to be driven to a point where you’d actively **** talk someone because they had might be friends with someone you don’t like. I feel this also drives into another issue, I was looking at a post earlier today which was the ABCs of RP by The Lion. In the list he put ‘Refrain from engaging OOCly with LotC’. Which I feel rings true, some of my best RP comes when I barely OOCly interact with the person I’ve been RPing with, I remember a friend I made early on in LotC, we’d be able to pretty much make an adventure out of any situation and had really great chemistry between our characters that allowed us to pretty much RP until one of us had something IRL pop up. But when he had to focus on study I ended up getting into various groups to find some more RP and I feel this lead me to get more insight onto how things tend to run on LotC, I interacted with theses groups more OOCly than I have most other groups and it just opened my eyes on how a lot of people tend to be more driven OOCly than ICly. With this I feel it creates this storm of toxicity, because people OOCly want their character/group to succeed in their endeavors which is fine, it means you’re invested in some form for the RP that is directly happening to you. But it really becomes an issue when people will stoop to OOC means in order to protect their RP/Group from having any sort of bump that could possibly lead to it ending or going through a really drastic change. This curbs a lot of interesting RP that could happen, for a group to fall and having to pick itself back up or just completely being wiped out and being literal history in the server, but that can seem a lot to ask of someone who has possibly invested months on this server to build something up. But this causes issues as I know a lot of groups would just rather deal with the situation in an OOC manner, be it trying to get rulings from staff members to have certain things go their way, disregarding rules, or just simply outright attempting to destroy someone on an OOC level through harassment, lying, or even possibly targeting them ICly due to an OOC grudge. Knowing alot of some of the happenings on this server because people tell me some of the stuff that has happened behind the scenes (or even myself being apart of it), really causes me to lose drive for LotC, and I literally just came onto this server to have a bit of fun, to get an experience that games like Skyrim could never provide, the ability to interact with a living, breathing world but after finding out all I did it took me awhile to realize that I’d much rather hang out with what friends I’ve made and just follow along whatever adventure we can find and avoid the toxic elements on this server. The reason I just find this so frustrating is because it is pretty simple to deal with someone you don’t like OOCly. Just don’t interact with them. I had a incident awhile back where someone mentioned IC information about my character in a Discord which I feel is meta gaming because it enables meta gaming to happen. I told them how I felt and I will admit I was pretty pissed about the whole situation because I just felt it was really scummy to do such a thing, they refused my requests to delete the messages and tried twisting the situation into it being my fault because I didn’t ask ‘nicely’ when I was literally talking about how I was laying on the floor after saying how I considered what they did meta gaming. In response to this I just simply blocked the person, reported them because they told me to and tried my best to keep IC/OOC interactions with them to a minimum. Sometimes I’d rant about it and kinda laugh about the situation because of how it ended unfolding, but I didn’t actively and intentionally attempt to **** on their being because of this slight, I just left it. However, AstriaS is right in saying that staff need to step up in dealing with matters, especially something like toxicity but I think the biggest issues is when we try to police this I don’t know how the reactions would be by the community if we did something like that. I think we already have a problem of corruption in staff where if we did justifiably deal with someone who did something, can easily hand wave about how LotC staff is corrupt and the kick/ban was bullshit. But I might be overthinking it, and it really might be just a simple matter of making sure reports are correctly dealt with and we just need to rebuild confidence between staff and player because it is really at an all time low with alot of the events that have happened last year and this year. To make a really messy point, that I shows I need to learn how to write better, clear. I think we all need to deal with toxicity better, staff more so. Remember that this is just a game and if you don’t like someone just cut your interactions from them and try keep trash talking to a minimum. Try find out the best way for you to have fun on this server and stick with it. If anyone wants to talk to me about anything, how you’ve been feeling or just about games, movies, shows, etc or something feel free to message me over the game or Discord at Pup#0428.

Tbh if someone wrote up a system and all parties agree to using said system there shouldn't be any issue as we have the cooperative RP rules. And allowing people to pick a mixture of options how they wish to go about combat wouldn't hurt.

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I feel like this would be the case if LotC didn’t have such a hard time dealing with bad actors who use IRP/OOC positions of power for malicious or OOC purposes, but it does, and I don’t think these people will be dealt with in a reasonable time before RP has been permanently hindered, and it is much easier to prevent these issues by stomping them in certain areas before they arise. We’ll just have to see how it pans out if this type of disconnection goes through and actually make adjustments quickly so players aren’t having their groups stagnate due to how some lore pieces are.

Well my reasoning wasn’t to protect someone’s magic Roleplay, but to protect players as a whole from a shitty power dynamic that can be formed from the lack of ‘tenants’, as stuff like this has happened in the past and is currently happening. And I don’t mean stuff that happens IRP but stuff that can happen OOCly, from what I’ve seen with a few other magics I just don’t think players are capable of having free reign of being able to have disconnection without it being abused in some form. I do agree that having OOC protections can cheapen RP, but all RP gets cheapened when OOC gets involved, and I don’t have confidence that a large enough portion of the LotC player base is able to disconnect themselves reasonably enough from RP and OOC. So it comes down to weighing why OOC measures have been put in place and if the sacrifice they come with is worth it. I do wish to note that I keep in mind the assurances that the no tenant disconnection won’t be abused by the current player base, but that does not mean the future when a new player base has formed, won’t abuse the disconnection. To argue on behalf of OOC protections (Tenants) this at least ensures some form of RP has happened to warrant a disconnection. Person A commits crime that goes against tenants while Person B was watching, thus causing Person A to go into hiding to avoid disconnection while Person B gathers fellow allies to hunt down Persona A for their crimes. As of right now it could literally be. Persona A looked at Person B funny, so Persona B rallies his allies to disconnect Person A. One makes for more interesting RP but the other one simply doesn’t and why people wish for Tenants when it comes to magics that have disconnection, to prevent characters having their progression staggered brutally because of an RP that lacks substance to allow a character to develop from. Something like Disconnection can open up a variety of interesting RP possibilities as argued but that requires the reasoning behind Disconnection to be decent. Though if the LT feel that this type of disconnection is worth adding I do hope it is, at the very least, closely monitored. But I think as a whole Disconnection needs a major revamp to prevent issues brought on by tenants and no tenants disconnection.

I’d like to tack on to this, as I mainly feel there is a portion of players that if they got hold of this magic, they’d attempt to circle jerk and I’m just afraid of some of the **** they’d do OOCly with the power dynamic they’d hold over players.

Mfw I gave him a video game to work on other lore then he just spent two days doing this instead. ? Looks pretty cool though, adding an interesting way to stir non-violent conflicts for characters that might prefer that way.

Honestly just as long as it goes to all teachers it shouldn’t be an issue.

I don’t like where this is going.