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We do a lil bit of shid posting when the admins make whoopsies.
Edited by Venomous_Pup
It.. Won't.. LEAVE! THE IMAGE WILL NEVER LEAVE EVEN WHEN I CLICK X TO DELETE IT -
When I said communities in that shid post I more or less meant Nations, having fun on LotC sometimes really depends on the cards you've been dealt, some communities are amazing, mixed, to just horrible. But even then your experiences may vary with communities on LotC. You've factors regarding yourself and how you RP, and conduct yourself. Then factors outside of your control, like how people perceive you and how themselves act. I think outright calling an array of things such as communities, evil, terrible, dog water, etc in a serious manner is silly, I just wish it was more easier to find some of the better communities in LotC. Ultimately I think everyone should just do what they find enjoyable and listen to what people have to say within reason in order to get a more enjoyable experience out of LotC. Anyone who thinks otherwise should remember this is a Minecraft Roleplay server without a clear vision and is basically an amalgamation of the best things the community and staff can offer, and then the most absolute dumbest shit you could possibly witness.
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I think it comes down to the fact a lot of RP you wanna make involves OOC consent, wanna burn down a building because someone wronged you, gotta get RO permission, along with many other things. Most won't give permission because god forbid there is disruption in my character's daily life. Players in any game will optimize the fun out of anything and LotC is no different. I will also repost an image below from the Daggerfall manual, something if people keep in mind when RPing on the server they're bound to have interesting characters if they go through hardships than actively avoid them where they can at OOC levels rather than IRP ones. This is within reason, don't need to RP with people who aren't going to be respectful towards you, like PGing, or metagaming, or just a unsavory OOCly.
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If you let us know what parts were hard to understand we can go about altering them to clarify them, I had a look through the lore before it was posted to ask questions about the lore to have it more clarified, though I think with the Guide would be an easier to clarify the interactions of the magic there rather than in the lore post.
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Why would you go back to LotC? You're going back to the place with two idiot Admins, one of which is off developing some blob game and the other Admin is the reason nothing plugin wise gets done and abuses his position, not to mention how toxic the staff team is, you know this, you've seen the staff chat before, you've seen how vicious the ST can get and how abusive the Orenian Mods are, they shit talk everyone who isn't in their circle jerk. You have seen the depths of the depravity of men because of this server. The 'communities' care about you? They only want two things from you, to grind and click for their Nations, they don't care about your stupid incoherent ramblings about whatever is on your mind right that second. You think it is going to be different because you're doing your best to improve yourself and helping your friends have a blast? It is going to be the same all over again, did you forget about how most of your friends get utterly trashed by the staff and community at large and get locked out of most things, yet everyone else who is by far worse barely suffer the consequence for the toxic slander they spread. Think, Pup, Think!
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"I wonder if this lie is to cover their wounded pride, after given not a single one of our people fell in any battles. The truth is they're so weak that even Braxus' own brother ran away from me, a blind and meek woman who'd be unable to defend themselves, aside if I was exhale hard enough that he'd crumble like a house of cards." She muses after hearing the news "Perhaps I ought to remind people that Braxus is liar, a hypocrite who actually consorts with the dark, he expects Nations to listen to him after he refused to listen to them, after he declared all the Nations snakes. Or perhaps his tiny mind was unable to remember all this information, and gone with the wind that often graces over Haelun'or." She says with an amused huff, though she becomes bitter quickly "I tire of this worm, speaking as if it is anything greater, claiming titles that ultimately it knows means nothing compared to what we have already achieved and are going to achieve. Nothing more than a parasite disguised as a Mali, that will taunt anything different, then beg for mercy when it realizes it's own fate is in the hands of others, others who care not for worms, others who tire of these disgusting parasites that would kill us all just so they could have faux-power. We took Haelun'or once, and we'll do it again, and remove this parasite from our people and whatever rot that remains on that island." She trails off into a calm, so many options before her and so much time, a small smirk forms on her features. "I suppose it would be foolish to plan anything yet, given that their city had already emptied again, likely bound to crumble as it should had done under Kolvar."
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Ya know Vaasek's bois on their way to get that glow up.
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Should Dogg get their lore compliant spaceship
Punished_Pup replied to Izkuthii's topic in Miscellany
Time to become a budget Lego Star Wars server. We'll add space ships, open the Animii CA and add different sub races to it to cover our droids, merge shelved Chi and Kani plus some Voidal magic into one lore piece for Force, then every other magic basically gets shelved. -
The Order of Elmarullral'ito'tennallar
Punished_Pup replied to Gavin_'s topic in Silver State of Haelun'or
A woman in private smirked after hearing the news of this Order "Predictable, as always, any means necessary to consolidate power, no better than the evil they claim to fight against, only difference is they'll butcher behind close doors. I'm sure this will in no way backfire." she mused -
I think Gaius meant how some people claim they aren't influenced by OOC at all, not in regards to PvP. Unfortunately when it comes to how conflict should be handled it isn't really easy to work out how the system should be done, as we are limited by Minecraft, Plugins, and community/staff desires and wants. Honor combat can be fun, or it can be the most painful thing one can experience, honor combat requires a lot of people on this server to be willing to take an L, which unfortunately is extremely limited or spread thin across the server. People care too much about winning and protecting their RP from any form of conflict, rather than the interesting routes that can develop their characters and in turn just frustrates players who are willing to roll with punches. PvP frankly cuts through a lot of bickering that can transpire with honor combat, and just helps when combat involves 10+ or so people. It isn't the perfect system, as yes, IRL skill shouldn't always translate into IRP skill to all characters, but most people often just claim their characters are well trained with the blade anyway, which I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with but it does cause issue when two 'master swordsmen' clash. Either way, in this context it wasn't like we appeared out of no where, if they weren't able to prepare for PvP there was the option for that which was hiring mercenaries to fight on their behalf, but that option wasn't taken, which is why I feel the decision made was silly, that had so many options to avoid a confrontation with Ivarielle's forces, but nothing was done but aside resistance and that was only when Haelun'or was taken. They could have trained their own forces (PvP or CRP or both), they could have hired mercenaries, they could have been more willing to change IRPly to accommodate her and her people and try and get them on board with what they had in mind, they could have prepared defenses in the city if nothing else when we came to siege it so they had a place to hide rather than not log in to try avoid being killed, or they straight up could had surrendered the city to Ivarielle and rebuild elsewhere. We'd backed Haelun'or into a corner, we utterly isolated them from any chance of getting allies, we even infiltrated the government and even had silent backing from some of the characters that were in Haelun'or. Despite the fact we took every avenue we could IRPly to take Haelun'or we basically lost due to admin interference which was completely OOC and affected our ability to operate IRPly. Feel like I should spend more time clicking on an RP server if this is the result of months of RP being utterly stomped on by a decision ultimately made by a single admin.
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An Elfess awakens in the night, as this vision overcame her in her sleep. The cold winds blew over her tent, such a strange dream to witness, considering all she had been through during her time in Haelun'or, A nation that was on the brink of collapse, nothing more than vassals under a human Nation far away, the Sohaer unable to protect it's own vassal. With new leadership changed after an exodus due a leader being absent and unwilling to connect with the people he had, wanting to devote themselves to a better future, there was hope, though this hope was short lived, as the new Sohaer openly declared all Nations snakes right after explaining how they were attempting to secure alliances with those Nations, unable to see why they might had failed to obtain a single alliance after such. They chose to ignore truth, as if burying ones' head in the sand would prevent the chaos of the world wounding their body, as if the storm that they generated in abuse and corruption would only blow over. Yet when they failed to prevent a threat they knew was coming to lead Haelun'or in a new generation, to new progress, to new heights, they resisted, they were willing to even attack the meek, though they were no match for Ivarielle's forces, either taken care of or more often than not, taunted Ivarielle's people and fled with the greatest speed any could have witnessed. "One shouldn't pretend to care about something, if they are not willing to die for it." She remarked quietly by her lonesome in the tent she rested within, knowing how she stood her ground even when Braxus' brother approached her, Warhammer in his grasp. Yet, she pondered, even when they left Haelun'or to fend for itself, those corrupted and degenerate lot, for a new place, much akin to Larihei, when she left the domain of Malin, when she tired of being ignored, despite her offerings for the future and what she had already accomplished. This vision, this dream, this insight had dared to enter her thoughts, despite the tells she has received ever since she was blessed, despite how meek she was, great power churned within her, despite her attempts to prevent Haelun'or from falling, only to be ignored and for everything she warned to come unfold. It angered her, this was nothing more than a fell falsity, one to trick and deceive those who would be able to be see the truth of the world. She considered herself vastly more developed, powerful, and more accomplished than any who were in Haelun'or, though recalling she was informed of how the streets emptied swiftly. So why would this vision favor them, she inquired to herself in her thoughts. This vision only furthered her resolve down the path she was upon, something grand was fated to be born from this movement, though the thought of it being true once more lingered, and she only mumbled. "A humbling warning, that even the greatest of us, are prey to stagnation and corrupting influence, of foolishly trying to cling to a past that only benefits those selected. To ignore truth for false comfort, to put aside logic for power, to deflect the realities of the world upon another than facing it. If it is who I truly think, then perhaps the 'Aheral should be no more, and something to be born anew, shackles of the past cast aside. Just like in the past, as she once did." She remarks, as she got up and began to prepare herself to ride off, East, the meek still had much growth to undergo.
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My character really didn't want to interact with a lot of the 'old' Hnorian when after she brought up the fact that she had basically been told to do something degrading, which I feel go against server rules given what was said, then seeing what she considered the response to that be holding a snail race afterwards, she feels like old Hnor is willing to bend the most basic forms of decency just to secure power as a result. During the first half off the contesting (with PvP being turned off) I tried to interact with a lot of the old Hnorian's that suddenly showed up but was completely ignored, only times that the other side interacted was when they felt they had enough numbers or a persona had a single slip up did they feel like they should engage to 'try win'. I will admit my statement should have been worded better to say a majority of old player base opted to ignore me, iirc only four people on the old Hnor side interacted with my character outside of insults.
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LEGO STAR WARS?????
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I think unironically the post Kiwi made was dumb on her part, but unfortunately I know a lot of people have had a bad experience with the Hnor community, this is not say everyone is evil in the community. I think a lot of people read too much into her OOC comment that was likely just poorly worded, ultimately just believe she wanted to say Hnor was going to be under new leadership that wouldn't continue a cycle of some of the OOC shit that has happened in the past, anyone who denies that Hnor has a checkered past is just straight up lying. But everyone latches to the OOC part as if there would had been literal 0 IRP reasoning for her character to do this, I know Hnor IRPly in the past had betrayed her IRP friends, I believe in the past it betrayed her, and it actively IRPly during this entire conflict opted to ignore Ivarielle's movement for months when people in leadership in Hnor just said they weren't gonna log on so they couldn't be killed, straight up if my country's leadership wasn't gonna fight to save itself I'm dipping. Literal months of RP completely ruined because of one individual for a single OOC comment, yet Ivarielle's ENTIRE movement has to suffer as a result, yet you've had those loyal to old Hnor that have combat logged, that have meta gamed, that have frankly failed RP, that have been toxic OOCly to individuals who weren't sided with them and made shitty remarks about them, suffer no punishment whatsoever for any rules they've broken. Knowing the behind the scenes of the server not really surprised, all one can do is mald, seethe and shit post until it is outta their system and move on.
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I will say given what I know with my own personal interactions with current and ex admins, with stories I have been told by others, new and old, the decisions I have seen, constantly watching the same mistakes being repeated for the past three years I have been actively apart of LotC, where I've seen and heard of some of the worst abuse happen. I don't think we should let it slide when they objectively let the server down today by going against the mission statement they recently put out, when they let the down the server when players are seemingly actively ignored when they report shit, when they let the server down when the mod admin acted like a child and a clown in the new Hnor Discord and proceeded to ban a user they taunted for something they didn't even end up doing and being petty about it. I frankly don't particularly care for them to be admins for this server, if this server is going to improve and reach the potential it has, it needs better and capable leaders, ones who are willing to combat the toxic environment that just leads to inaction and players becoming unsatisfied and in turn toxic. Really don't know what to suggest for admins or players to fix it at this point, time and time again, this type of conversation is going to be repeated by new and old, and nothing will be done about it unfortunately. LotC sits in a comfortable position because there is some good in the community to be found and has security in being a ten year old server, and since it sits in a comfortable position it doesn't need to change, just ignore the players when they **** up until it blows over and carry on, just for good measure say how you will be looking at the criticisms that have been likely repeated for almost a decade and offer no actionable plans on what you will do to change. God I can't wait till Lego Star Wars comes out.
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What mainly annoys me about this is I know the defense in these kind of cases, not strictly towards admins but staff in general, will often be something along the lines of we are simply just volunteers and try our best to do better, yet the SAME mistakes and massive ones in terms of player safety repeated, year after year. I don't understand how that is meant to be a defense, because I don't understand what being a volunteer has to do with lacking any professionalism in how the staff/admins handle their conduct, decisions, abuse, and **** ups. We have to keep in mind that we have about 250+ players that log in everyday, and ultimately staff with their decisions determine if they have a safe and enjoyable time on the server, and from my interactions with the admins, I just feel like this is nothing more than a ******* game to them, just to stuff up as some CV fodder, sounds impressive to have an active community of 250 people, not so much if you were to look into and see how utterly dysfunctional everything is. All one can do is hope the server gets better but no one is gonna be holding their breath with how things have been going. Least Lego Star Wars is out in a couple days.
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I think that is ignoring the fact players have a lot of pent up frustration with how current and past admins for the past three years (and longer) have straight up let every single community down with their decisions. I tried RPing with the old Hnorian's and they actively ignored me or did nothing in regards to the complaints I levied IRPly, and the only time they did was to 'dunk' on me. Even people who don't care about the Elf Sphere of LotC just see this as a massive loss, this was a movement going on for IRL months and we were frankly just ignored up until Hnor got backed into a corner and they miraculously manage to survive when they did actively nothing to prepare for coming conflict and outright said in Discord they were not even going to log in, so they could avoid dying. Players get sick and tired of anyone getting OOC protection when they frankly fucked up. The 'vitriol' is just merely a symptom of a problem that stems from the community environment and how staff have decided to deal with most situations. Though we did actually contribute to RP, we had 30 or so players on yesterday when old Hnor only mustered 11 and attempted to disrupt what we were doing in the tavern but we just pushed past until they basically retreated and instantly logged out when they knew admins wouldn't be paying attention, I should also mention this whole RP movement has been going on for months IRL so it wasn't like it came out of no where. Most people are gonna want to mald because frankly with all that transpired IRPly we should have won, Hnor had no standing force, had failed to secure allies and had failed to sway any from Ivarielle's side to support them. Feels pointless to RP on a server where there seems to be no consequences to sides that should have lost.
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Feeling like unironically we as players should try perform making an experiment where we elect a tile to be exempt from staff rules and make our own rules and edit and adjust them accordingly to what we think provides more enjoyable RP.
Edited by Venomous_Pup
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The Wrath of Malin - A Warning to the Government of Elysium
Punished_Pup replied to Qizu's topic in Elven Realms & Culture
"I bet Republican scum will decry this action on Ivarielle's people, despite the fact that Braxus personally killed a half breed once, but they care for fact nor truth, hm.. They love to bend it so much I wonder.. Either way, hopefully they don't choke on sand since they love to bury their heads in such." A blind woman grumbled, hearing a degenerate Republican speak about this news in passing, some nonsense conspiracy they love to spread. -
"They took so long to muster two leaders who ultimately mean nothing.. Who offer nothing." she quietly comments "And if by some miracle they even get hold of the city after losing it, they opted to ignore the fact that all the Nations, the entire realm, stands await with poised swords to completely end this state of degenerates and criminals. They wish for us 'Thill to respect them, when they can't even respect themselves and the traditions they claim to follow, ten years has Haelun'or stood, and the response they offered will go down in history as the most pitiful attempt of frankly anything. No longer will I allow my people to suffer these fools, so they can either follow Ivarielle and experience new growth, or they can continue down their stagnant path and perish away to dust." "Ay'Ivarielle, Ay'Larihei."
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Just gonna put a TW here for any who, might stumble across this, body horror and just icky things to behold. Music Enveloped by forces beyond, elsewhere, was this woman now adrift. Before her mind could process a single image, it was the reeking scent that entered her senses, repulsive but sharp, causing a stinging sensation within her nostrils, as they flared for a moment, so swiftly, a hand was directed to pinch her nose, in hopes that might prevent that ever so indescribable miasma from inducing gags and spew. In an additional attempt to block out the smell, she pulled up fabric that was fashioned as a scarf, and pinched her nose once more. Mere moments afterwards, she witnessed what was before her. A land, twisted, a merger of legs, seeming all the parts below where a knee would be located. Unwashed for countless eras, it appeared to her. These legs were blemished, bruised, bloodied; covered upon them, were blackheads, pustules, and cysts. Some of the legs were hairless, and others thick and matted. Fungi the size of trees thrived in this land of filth, plotted across this ‘land’. Though, these legs were also not restricted to those that might appear, descendant design, but that of animals, insects. The horizon twisted and moved, akin to watching countless rabbits stare upon a mountain, and gave the illusion as if the mountain was shifting in place. Despite her disgust, despite the fear that was racing through her very core, she knew she must do as she had done after the moment she was given the blessing. Submit. Submit to the experience of this place, no matter how disgusted or how much she wished to return home as soon as she could, first must she explore what she possibly could of this place, for she felt within her core, all she had to do, was merely step forth, for submission was death, and death was rebirth into something greater. And so, with resolve in mind, she began to trek through whatever she could handle to endure in this place, the unseen eye above spying for her unknown God. The trek was dangerous to be walking upon, the legs moving, and was almost akin to walking against Laerdya’s own steps. Standing upon the sole of a foot, she opts to make her way to shin, that seemingly sailed across the amalgamation below, mindful of the uncertainty of this place, lest she trip and fall to perhaps a fate worse than a usual death. Walking along a leg with hair, she with gloved hands, curled her fingers across the greasy hairs to stabilize her movements. Fearful of what was to happen, should her meek form fall and be crushed by the weight of these rancid legs. She watched as the constantly moving legs cut down one of those fungus, a spore that fell between the hoof of a pigs feet, that constantly moved upwards and downwards. Taking a minor detour, she managed to claim this spore, proof of this endeavor she had trekked. For hours she was trekking, before reaching her assigned destination. With her journey concluded, arriving at the giant shin that sailed, she took out the Oculus, making an attempt to contact one of her mentors, and only a few words spoken as she simply just said.. “I have traveled into the Beyond.. Or past it, I remain unsure. I can barely describe this place..” she quietly spoke, slight fear hinted in her voice Uncaring for a response, she opted to put the Oculus back in satchel, as she peered across the lands, before.. Enveloped by forces beyond, back where she resided, was this woman present.
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Your talking point about the Maheral is something that should be debated more IRPly, though I get that you don't want to hand your 'culture' off to someone you don't know, however, I think remaining unchanging and trying to keep Haelun'or 'protected' from changes to the status quo has led to this entire conflict. My main reason for bringing up the whole Maheral thing was because I just find it annoying we get called anti-RP when I feel like such an important cultural position being voted on is being done behind close doors is frankly anti-RP and limits the possible RP, what if I want to manipulate or bribe someone into voting for a certain individual? What if I just wanted to inform the Malauriran on information I've discovered on a certain character to ensure that the 'correct' Maheral got voted in rather than an 'impure' one? It being done entirely through Discord defeats the point of being on a RP server, and causes people getting frustrated with a government system than seems to be reliant more on OOC friendships rather than anything done IRPly and has had a serve affect upon Haelun'or's ability to retain players as a result of this, as a newer player, it feels unfair and pointless to RP in any place where they will get zero progress because they're not friends with older players, only due to circumstance of them being newer to the community at large.
Speaking of OOC comments, I really was delighted to see an ex-sohaer call me mentally ill to someone in DMs over LotC, along with remarks to two others, really don't understand why, considering when it was brought up I didn't say anything bad. I will admit that I have complained somewhat about Haelun'or OOCly, but it isn't because I wanted to see the Nation destroyed, my complaints are mainly in hopes that they might be listened to and the Nation can change for the better, and I am not the only one who has felt the same. Keep in mind I returned to Haelun'or sometime in October I think, with the active OOC intentions to help build it up, but realized I was going to get little head way when Iverach basically told me his plan was to abandon the new players in favor of trying to get old players to return, hence why I joined Ivarielle's movement when it popped up. Even still with no obligation to do this, I asked Cookiie if they wanted me to get them a clean copy of the Hnor Island, even though I'd been with Ivarielle since day one and haven't made that fact hidden both IRP and OOCly. For your final point, I've unfortunately spent 2 days since last week for this conflict so I have been actively engaging it. Ultimately, Haelun'or had four-five months to prepare for this entire conflict, frankly mistakes were made on part of the 'old group' that remained, and as a result there has to be consequences if you opt to ignore a threat that made itself publicly known for months. -
While I can’t speak to the OOC dealings that you have experienced (You won’t catch me bad mouthing you in DMs) what I can say is most of the time, like 8/10 times, the Vet chat 100% has no part in Maheral selection. We just go “Okay this is the person the last Maheral chose as a successor.” Which leaves the door wide open for newer players.
One person decided that Elesia Elervathar’s constitution was un-Maheral-like. Realistically the way Elesia was pushed out was the problem here since it should have been a vote of no confidence from everyone. But it happened & a new Maheral doesn’t pop out of nowhere so the chat got the ball rolling again because largely that is what we are there to do. Keep the baton passing. Our names are on that document not as a vote, more like a stamp of approval that the new Maheral can reference when trying to leverage their station.
Does this one part of the culture happen off the server sometimes? Yes but it almost always is led by the active members of the Malaurian. I personally don’t have a device for LoTC atm so it is the camaraderie that brings out the want to include all the oldies.
Again it doesn’t take all of us voting for a new Maheral to be chosen. The rest of us were just invited out of respect & stayed tuned in when we realized how messy things were OOCly. It’s not that we try to dismiss change. We just have had to deal with OOC spite-fueled rampages time-after-time. The way we have been dealing with it is by trying to boost active player morale, engaging them in proper debates, elections, etc… because that is how the nation is ran. Not by the whims on 1-5 players.There is a story to be told here. It can’t be told in PvP & it can’t be ignored until it is gone. Otherwise your side is just a fad & won’t last. There has to be compromise.
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Both sides opted to ignore each other around the end of conflict after PvP was turned off, I would say the quality of Roleplay unironically degraded imo when PvP/conflict was turned off. As it essentially became passive aggressive petty remarks to each other, as there was going to be zero consequence to bad mouthing one another since PvP and villainy RP was disallowed, and with no real way of 'proving' who controlled the city. From our point of view, we had both infiltrated the government and have easily battered Hnor in conflict, taking a city these ways should be legitimate avenues, same as getting voted into power, they have different and interesting ways they can branch. I think for the whole PvP that was on for 3-4 days, rest of the conflict it was turned off. We do have people they have RPed and are willing to RP but as I mentioned above, not many people are willing to engage when it has degraded into pettiness. Something I will say, at least from my perspective on an OOC level, the goal isn't to obliterate Hnor, and we have tried offered a fair compromise to the mod admin so that way old Hnorian folk who don't enjoy what is provided either OOCly or IRPly are left high and dry. Ultimately as well, it can lead to interesting conflicts down the line and development of persona's, if I was on Hnor's side I would be down for some refugee type RP and attempt to rebuild what was left with the remnants of old Hnor as it has an amazing story there that can be told.
Though frankly, the only point I don't agree with is the 'fad' part, I honestly don't believe we are, we had almost 30 players on today RPing in the tavern, and as I mentioned, I know from talking with people more are bound to follow suit if we were to gain control of the city. But the other part about it being a 'fad' I don't like is I think unironically forcing players to build long lasting stable groups vastly limits the potential of newer groups forming, which in turn limits people's enjoyment on the server, much rather spent three-four months doing something I enjoy than grinding a year for something I don't really enjoy because it is the closest thing I can get to what I wanna do, granted in this case, since this is a fight over a Nation I can understand that it is different, but ultimately if our group is a fad, you can easily just regain control of the city, and you have a fun new bit of history to teach IRP, warning future generations of 'Aheral the dangers of trying to take Hnor by force and how it leads to the death of the Nation.
