[Idea] Ban Reports

[Hunter (sckolar) 50]

I like the spirit of this idea as a means to minimize drama, although if I were a group leader, I'd want to know if I was recruiting a member that had a history of problematic behavior. I'd also want to know if a member of staff had offenses that had been swept under the rug. I'm all about being up front and public about ****-ups, and we've had a long and lengthy history of Admins and GMs mishandling the hell out of ban reports and appeals and the consequences thereof, so I feel that publicly displaying all of these things serves as a solid means of checks and balances for us as players to keep our staff members in check on their decisions. It's also a solid way for our staff to maintain the trust of the community they serve.

 

Primarily for this reason, a healthy distrust of the staff in general based on previous offenses, I am against privatizing ban reports and appeals. If I were a staff member I would feel the same way. It's mutually beneficial to everyone here that we just be open and honest about everything.

 

This isn't intended to bash the staff, I like quite a few of you guys, but it's a valid point that has to be raised. I'm sure many of us can remember, in vivid detail, instances where the details of various staff members' and players' offenses were obscured and we didn't offer transparency and the **** storm that followed. Let's not go back down that road.

 

That's a very good point, although if the player being banned feels it is unjust, no one is stopping that player from sharing the ban report. Heck maybe there can be a way to invite certain players in, and if attention needs to be brought onto the entire community, it can be done so. As for keeping track of your members as a leader, you can always PM them later, or maybe a leader could be a part of the report through a request. Once a player is banned, you can already get a hunch that they may have been a trouble maker at that point. If the player who was a member cares, they probably would message you. Again, good point. I do feel as though this can be worked around though, if done right.

[Snake Plissken 637]

I actually think the community should have more of a say in ban reports/appeals. I mean, the server revolves around the fun of the players, and the players should be able to decide who they want to RP with and who doesn't deserve to be here any longer.

[MetaSolaray 242]

Just make a new "Public" Gm account so all Ban reports go to the same account and any GM can respond to the PM's that way you can't "Pick" your GM :p

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

I actually think the community should have more of a say in ban reports/appeals. I mean, the server revolves around the fun of the players, and the players should be able to decide who they want to RP with and who doesn't deserve to be here any longer.

I actually agree and wish the community could handle the responsibility but it's just asking for trouble right now

[MamaBearJade 2090]

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As Meta said they can make a GM account that says GM or Global Moderator. There is an Admin account. Send messages there to go ahead and that way they can keep track of bans and such. Those involved HAVE to be added and if someone thinks they should, they can PM a GM about it. The reason behind this is to avoid the OOC crap that happens after. I have seen the way the community acts. Look at the BRs and see how much the community shifts AWAY from those in them, whether just or not Much of the community dispises individuals over BRs made, received, or appeals.

 

Just make a new "Public" Gm account so all Ban reports go to the same account and any GM can respond to the PM's that way you can't "Pick" your GM :p

[rukio 8924]

I don't really like this idea. Yes, it may help cut down on drama, but personally I like to know what people have done before. I don't think I've ever BR'd someone before, but there is always a future possibility. Call me weird, mean, or judgmental, but I think if I had an incident where a BR was a strong possibility, I'd probably go through and look to see if they'd been reported for similar things before. I think I'd feel more obligated to report a repeat offender than someone who maybe has done it once. Yes, I'm weird like that. 

[Crayfishchris 751]

Okay, let's view this in terms of pros and cons.

 

Pros

1. We get less OOC bullcrud.

2. It is probably decided quickly.

3. People would think more before posting a BR.

 

Cons

1. It's just as easy to share a Ban Report out to the community

2. It's harder for the community to tell who has done what, and who is in there.

3. The community doesn't get as much of a say.

 

It's a tradeoff... either cut down on the drama or get the community's opinion on the matter.

 

(Ban appeals should be public... I'd like to know who exactly we're letting back in... and hey... it would show if a person was banned or not publicly)

[benp9876 12]

I'm not allowed to post much, so I'l simple say this;

 

I completely agree, yes when I was playing there was MAJOR issues with several players and myself, this ended up in a ban report ( after excessive trolling by said person ) which resulted in a major cluster-F*** on the ban report ( he commented, his friends commented, and still 75% of the people where aggroing him. Most of whom where not involved in the report. ) which eventually led too his friends hurrassing me relentlessly, which was followed by my first ever ''I'm leaving post.'' which then was followed by more hurrassment, and then it continued until the point I was banned, the same group of Seven.

 

Aslong as from the START the reporter AND the person being reported gets the invite before any posts are made,  there should be no issue, it's been done before on other servers & games,

[MamaBearJade 2090]

Problem is, the community cant comment on the BR anyways. So it doesnt matter instead you get them taking it out on the reporter or reportee

[MamaBearJade 2090]

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[Crayfishchris 751]

Problem is, the community cant comment on the BR anyways. So it doesnt matter instead you get them taking it out on the reporter or reportee

You have a good point. Still, I feel that many people think that they deserve to see these reports, see who is getting banned and why.

 

I myself remain neutral on this matter.

[MamaBearJade 2090]

But it only leads to biased and cruelness in OOC. Thats why i rather them be quite.

Positive: Less harrassment later to either side

Negative: Community feels cheated that they cant see who so and so harrassed.

[Samson Option 9652]

But it only leads to biased and cruelness in OOC. Thats why i rather them be quite.

Positive: Less harrassment later to either side

Negative: Community feels cheated that they cant see who so and so harrassed.

Agreed with Jade Kadoa so far.

 

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[Stag 3229]

After a discussion I had on Team Speak with a GM, I believe we have an idea that should help the community.

Pros:

1. Those involved can feel safer with privacy

2. The report will be handled quicker

3. Less flaming can be done

4. Only those involved will be able to post

5. Those reported or reporting get less flame OOCly by the community later

Cons:

1. The reporter can pick a GM that they think will be biased (though I hope GMs can prove this wrong)

2. Can clog up PM boxes

3. The community doesnt see this and weigh in (both pro and con)

4. Can still be leaked (can be fixed by warning/demotion/removal)

I also believe ban appeals should be the same way unless the person who did wrong harmed the community as a whole.

 

 

Regarding these two things you may either see them getting done faster or a GM might decide to go inactive and have people sending them reports that will never get done.

 

The picked GM may be biased but if this is how BR are handled it would most likely go like this.

 

-Player send GM report

-GM shows report to all staff in our chat

-Someone claims the report in chat

 

So the GM that received the report might not even be the one handling it.

[Tadmonster 54]

I disagree, because my favorite part of the day is reading how people f***ed up...I joke.

 

A big  +1 from me!