[Support] Major Region Changed

[VonEbs 1224]

It has come to my attention as of late that the Conclave has been behaving as if it controls the malinor region, so far as that previous owners were purged and new ones added. This distresses me greatly, as I do not recall the Conclave warclaiming the entirety of the malinor region, just New Malinor. To dispell any confusion, and taking into account recent rp, the best course of action will be for birdwhisperer to be set as the owner of the malinor region and for all other owners to be removed. 

 

Thank you,

VonEbs

[Galendar 631]

Von, if you possess troops, backers, and actually a community to be deserving of a region, I would suggest you show it. That's why the conclave has it all I would be guessing. The Princedom is dead.

[VonEbs 1224]

I don't, that is why I have passed the region to the Talonii Confederacy, which is deserving of the region. 

 

However, this isn't really a discussion or debate. The High Council was the ooc and ic owner of the region, and as the last active High Council member, I was the ic and ooc owner of the region. Furthermore, I have rply transfered the land to birdwhisperer, so thus, she should be region owner, not me.

[gabriel101x1 463]

I believe the region is going to be made freebuild once new malinor has been returned to nature.

[Daisy 9738]

"If the Conclave wins the City of Malinor is to be given to the Conclave of Malin. The High Council given the chance to flee to a neighboring Town."

[Heero 4092]

But Lenniel is nothing more then a peaceful, isolated village. They have already stated that countless times Ebs...

[VonEbs 1224]

I believe the region is going to be made freebuild.

 

By precedent, that decision can only be made with the consent of the region owner(s.) Unless the staff is preparing to seriously invade roleplay. However, I am no longer the region owner, so I would talk with birdwhisperer about it.

[gabriel101x1 463]

Wasn't prince Ebs imprisoned..?

[VIROS 2915]

I'm going to put forth a few points to dispute this.

 

• New Malinor was the seat of the government of Malinor at the time of its capture, and the only city which protected the status quo. The other faction, Lenniel/Darkhaven remained neutral and isolationist. The Princedom's only settled territory was New Malinor.
• The only active representative of the Princedom's government at the time of New Malinor's capture was VonEbs, who was in Conclave custody.
• There are few to no Princedom loyalists in the world to support VonEbs. Nearly all elves are split between the Conclave and the Talonnii, and the Talonnii are in the process of negotiating a treaty to enter the Conclave as a protectorate.
• Birdwhisperer is a member of the Talonnii, an isolationist nation which took no side in the war. The idea that they would take control of Malinor is plainly ridiculous, since throughout the entire conflict they remained neutral and did not mobilize a single soldier.
• Even if the Malinor region was not considered a subsidiary of the New Malinor region, VonEbs has no one to defend it. Any warclaim placed by the Conclave would again be met with absolutely no resistance. This is a simply delaying tactic.

This is only a ploy for VonEbs to inconvenience the Conclave government. By putting the region in the hands of a Talonnii councilperson who has no particular claim for it or against it, he effectively puts it out of the realm of Conclave control, as they have promised not to invade the Talonnii except to protect them from foreign invaders.

 

Even in the situation that favors the former Princedom the most, the Malinor territory would only be considered neutral or unregioned.

[VonEbs 1224]

Wasn't prince Ebs imprisoned..?

 

Indeed, however, I was rescued.

 

I fail to see how that is relevant at the moment.

[gabriel101x1 463]

You can't really just OOCly hand over land to someone.
If someone wants land then they have to actually RPly control and maintain it.

I would say that the malinor lands aren't controlled by anyone at present.

[VonEbs 1224]

I'm going to put forth a few points to dispute this.

 

• New Malinor was the seat of the government of Malinor at the time of its capture, and the only city which protected the status quo. The other faction, Lenniel/Darkhaven remained neutral and isolationist.
• The only active representative of the Princedom's government at the time of New Malinor's capture was VonEbs, who was in Conclave custody.
• There are few to no Princedom loyalists in the world to support VonEbs. Nearly all elves are split between the Conclave and the Talonnii, and the Talonnii are in the process of negotiating a treaty to enter the Conclave as a protectorate.
• Birdwhisperer is a member of the Talonnii, an isolationist nation which took no side in the war. The idea that they would take control of Malinor is plainly ridiculous, since throughout the entire conflict they remained neutral and did not mobilize a single soldier.
• Even if the Malinor region was not considered a subsidiary of the New Malinor region, VonEbs has no one to defend it. Any warclaim placed by the Conclave would again be met with absolutely no resistance. This is a simply delaying tactic.

This is only a ploy for VonEbs to inconvenience the Conclave government. By putting the region in the hands of a Talonnii councilperson who has no particular claim for it or against it, he effectively puts it out of the realm of Conclave control, as they have promised not to invade the Talonnii except to protect them from foreign invaders.

 

It is perfectly within the rules, as I was the last active Member of the High Council of Malinor and I have oocly and icly transfered the land. 

 

I am fully willing to go all the way to the the Administrators with this. 

[Tethras 278]

I personally think this brings up a bigger issue. Not to be overly offensive to the staff, but can we please have some mech standards when it comes to regions? At the moment it depends on who's the GM and the players relation with the GM for the most part.

[VonEbs 1224]

I wish I did not have to make this thread. Unfortunately rules, warclaim agreements, and roleplay have been blatantly ignored by individual staff members in favor of the Conclave.

[VIROS 2915]

This is like Mogroka trying to make the Carrions warclaim Oren land once he left. It's utterly pointless. The Conclave is the successor state to the Princedom and inherits all land that is not contested by other nations with legitimate claim.

 

Moreover, the Talonnii do not even want this land. If they receive it against their will, they will either turn it over to the Conclave, or the Conclave will make a blood-free warclaim on it.

 

There is no situation in which the Conclave will not end up with the region. This entire thread is just pointless posturing.