Ford 1996 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Talk down to you? Wow. Really? So because I dont like your idea I am talking down to you? Tnoy, they arent bred to SPECIFICALLY kill SPECIFIC animals. Thats what doesnt sit right with me. I dont have to like the idea. I am allowed my opinion. It's a fantasy rp server, though. All the IRL rules dont exactly apply, and things that aren't considered normal IRL can happen here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnoy23 202 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Tnoy, they arent bred to SPECIFICALLY kill SPECIFIC animals. Thats what doesnt sit right with me. Wouldn't being bred to kill a specific animal be better than being bred to kill any and all animals? Wouldn't it be better to breed them to kill animals instead of humans? Regardless, as it has been stated, this isn't a bred dog, it's a new dog, a native. Similar to how you can go to africa and ther'll be elephants, but no elephants are in America. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitten 367 Author Share Posted April 13, 2014 Milk snakes eat other snakes. Orca's eat dolphins Cannibals eat human Cats kill other cats Humans kill other humans Lions murder lions Wolves kill wolves Deer kill Deer Beta's kill other beta's Dogs kill dogs Horses kill Horses Its nature. So what if a wolfs natural enemy on this map is my lore? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-♣- Ƙindled -♣- 203 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I'm not really a fan of lore that is only applicable to a handful of people, and you have to go through those people to be apart of it. It's sort of like runesmithing, which I dislike, but at least it is available to most Dwarves that have proven themselves. This is clearly only available to you and your friends, which is wrong. I can honestly say that I dislike this lore. Firstly cause I find it way out of place, and pretty much not fitting to much other lore, how did someone mate a serpent and a greyhound? Nevertheless. There dogs should suffer great problems with their backs, since having to lift up their head all the time, meaning it would make it hard for them to chase after some wolf, or anything in that matter. Also; Posted Today, 12:12 AM Let's say Daenes gets into a fight with a guy who has two wolves. Daenes has her athri barbu'chirrs with her. The athri barbu'chirrs are there to take down the man's wolves. Taking care of the man himself would be up to Daenes though and thus the real challenge. Look at how many people walk around now with packs. In a fight whoever has more wolves going after you would win. But an athri barbu'chirr is made for taking down those wolves. Edit: changed to the awesome name Freya came up with :3 This is not far from powergaming. One of these serpent hounds would hardly be able to take down a pack of wolves, or dogs for that matter. Have you ever seen the patter which a pack of dogs attack in? They go in, snap at the legs, or butt of the opposing foe. Basically taking down strength by each second, until they have little to no stamina left to do anything - that's when the wolves would go for the kill. This is at least how they take down each other in.. let us call it duels. Also if they're natives to this land.. Heck, I wouldn't think that wolves were, so how could they've been able to go for wolf hunts? Also, how would someone learn to tame one of these? It's not like man learnt how to tame wolves in a day or two, it took many, many years for them to tame them, and make them loyal. I'm not too good at talking my mind, so I often don't, but I honestly don't think that this should be a thing. I'll say that I disagree to this lore, since as Jade said. It feels like this will just be a clique thing. Simply put this just seems unneeded and just out of place, even for the fringe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaBearJade 2090 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Honestly sha, if you cant take some constructive criticism over one detail someone doesnt like, then dont make the lore. I dont like how you made wolves/dogs/whatever the heck these special things are, are made...MADE, not NATURALLY CREATED, MADE to kill Wolves specifically. If they are so good at it, why are they "endagered" when there are plenty of wolves around. I dont like that fact. I dont /have/ to like it. Please stop acting like I am trying to remove your lore. I dont want that aspect of the lore because its twisted in my mind. Cats kill their own KITTENS. Nature. Man breeding a cat to specifically kill bobcats is /not/ nature. My opinion. My criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitten 367 Author Share Posted April 13, 2014 Jade, you're getting hurt all over something that doesn't need approval. Whats done is done. Drop it. You don't seem to get it. A shark may eat other sharks, but there are other creatures that eat a shark. A orca for example. These creatures are natrual. I never once said that they where created by man. Now drop your pointless argument. The lore doesn't need you to -1 it, jist never said anything was wrong of it. I don't see why I can't rp with a creature like this. Its lore its done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnoy23 202 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Honestly sha, if you cant take some constructive criticism over one detail someone doesnt like, then dont make the lore. I dont like how you made wolves/dogs/whatever the heck these special things are, are made...MADE, not NATURALLY CREATED, MADE to kill Wolves specifically. If they are so good at it, why are they "endagered" when there are plenty of wolves around. I dont like that fact. I dont /have/ to like it. Please stop acting like I am trying to remove your lore. I dont want that aspect of the lore because its twisted in my mind. Cats kill their own KITTENS. Nature. Man breeding a cat to specifically kill bobcats is /not/ nature. My opinion. My criticism. Show me in the lore where it says these dogs were bred by man and I will believe you. You are saying wolves cannot have predators, something which does not work. We do accept your criticism, and are addressing it. If you interpret that as not accepting it, so be it, but that is not the case. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaBearJade 2090 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Show me in the lore where it says these dogs were bred by man and I will believe you. You are saying wolves cannot have predators, something which does not work. We do accept your criticism, and are addressing it. If you interpret that as not accepting it, so be it, but that is not the case. Since you are more level headed let me make this clear. I am not saying they CANT have natural preditors. I am saying these things that are "created" specifically bred to kill wolves. Yet, how are there only 4? They must have been specially bred, as in someone did this. If there were no wolves to hunt, then these cant exist. If there are wolves to hunt, there should be more around than just 4. I dont care if sha has her special lore. What doesnt sit right with me is they are "specifically bred" not "naturally made". Fix this detail. there should either be none at all or more than 4 if this is a "natural" thing. If its not "natural" then I stand by my disgust for such breeding and creation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone 869 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I'm a slow typer but to further help answer Jade: Yes they specialize in killing wolves. No fur so the can easily freeze to death. Longer necks which are bigger targets for snapping. Mouth rot which is something wolves do not get as it comes from their snake-like traits. They only serve one master so if you die (pk) then they die as well. You cannot pass these on to your children without breeding puppies specifically for them. Also hip dysplasia is a pretty serious illness that active dogs get and seeing as these ones are built physically for running and running quickly... Plus you can't crossbreed them, you'd have to get two pure blooded ones to make pups and seeing as there are only 4 this means that there will be inbreeding at some point probably. It's only two families... Catrina and Morgana are twins, thus one twin gets one. Then Daenes has her two. Their speed and longer fangs make them better at killing wolves. Otherwise they have the same intelligence. See above ^ Daenes has hers very well trained, Catrina and Morgana would also be training theirs but seeing as they are only 5 if someone needed help with an athri barbu'chirr I'd recommend talking to Daenes. They were found in the domes of Atgaard when we moved here. However it takes time to write lore. They'll be used the same way people use regular wolves. Pets, protection, compainions. Only main difference is that these are better at protecting their master from a regular wolf than from say a bandit. Magic isn't 'mechanical standard' yet it exists. Yes in 'mc standard' they'd fight only as well as a wolf since that's what you use for them. However this is for rp since you know we are on an rp server. These were NOT bred. They were found. And to Dewpboy I used an even example. 2 wolves vs 2 athri'barbuchirrs. 1 athri'barbuchirr could not take down a pack however with even numbers the ahtri'barbuchirrs win. When outnumbered the athri'barbuchirr would lose but they'd take down at least a couple wolves with them. And they don't just hunt wolves... They eat meat like regular wolves do and thus hunt like regular wolves do however these guys are great at killing wolves when they run into them. Edit: JADE THESE WERE NOT BRED THEY WERE FOUND. We've only found 4! Hence why there are only 4. Maybe more will be found in the future, who knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaBearJade 2090 Share Posted April 13, 2014 These were NOT bred. They were found. And to Dewpboy I used an even example. 2 wolves vs 2 athri'barbuchirrs. 1 athri'barbuchirr could not take down a pack however with even numbers the ahtri'barbuchirrs win. When outnumbered the athri'barbuchirr would lose but they'd take down at least a couple wolves with them. And they don't just hunt wolves... They eat meat like regular wolves do and thus hunt like regular wolves do however these guys are great at killing wolves when they run into them. The red. This right there breaks Mechanical Standard and is, in fact, slightly power gaming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-♣- Ƙindled -♣- 203 Share Posted April 13, 2014 you'd have to get two pure blooded ones to make pups and seeing as there are only 4 this means that there will be inbreeding at some point probably. You do know that you actually inbreed dogs? It's actually not as bad as people thing, of course they can get some errors, it's a common thing. Most domestic dogs are usually inbred, or have inbred parents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnoy23 202 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Yet, how are there only 4? They must have been specially bred, as in someone did this. Predators can be hunted to. Why are Bengal Tigers close to extinction if they're so predatory? If there were no wolves to hunt, then these cant exist. There are wolves in the Fringe, or other animals to hunt. One does not need to hunt one specific animal for food. If there are wolves to hunt, there should be more around than just 4. Again, predators can be hunted by their own predators or driven to such a state via climate change and so on. there should either be none at all or more than 4 if this is a "natural" thing. Again, why are there animals that go naturally extinct, yet are natural and not bred by man? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaBearJade 2090 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Okay, one more question tnoy. Dogs are not natural. they were bred in. These can not be concidered dogs. Dogs are created through domestication of Wolves. So, in this sense, created. So how are these "natural" predators? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone 869 Share Posted April 13, 2014 The red. This right there breaks Mechanical Standard and is, in fact, slightly power gaming. And again I'll say this. Magic isn't mechanical standard yet we do it. This is a roleplay server. This was created for roleplay. And how is it power gaming? I said they would lose but each ahtri'barbu'chirr would take down at least one or two wolves with them since that is what they are good at. Edit: In mechanical standard if I have a wolf with me and hit a cat my wolf would kill said cat. Yet in real situations that cat wouldn't just sit there and let itself die, it would either run or fight back. Mechanical standard isn't everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaBearJade 2090 Share Posted April 13, 2014 And again I'll say this. Magic isn't mechanical standard yet we do it. This is a roleplay server. This was created for roleplay. And how is it power gaming? I said they would lose but each ahtri'barbu'chirr would take down at least one or two wolves with them since that is what they are good at. Mechanical standard is required for any new lore, including animal. One wolf being taken down, I can see, not two or more. Again.. I like MOST of the lore, but the breeding specifically to kill wolves is the /only/ thing that doesnt sit well with me. edit: I am more than happy to sit in TS with Grim and Tnoy to discuss this more privately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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