Patch 1.4_02

[Sir_Vilku 15]

new miners cant even use a gold pickaxe and mine diamond, level 50s maybe...

it means that they have to buy them, therefore keeping the economy going!

what more i can add: i think it has a few more important elements in it: forcibly introducing player interaction. (this is rp so its a must!)

and b: advanced societies vs lesss advanced, can now be seen by their ability to cover all these areas.

cant cover something, well, that society simply lacks at that part.

which leads to more rp, here is why:

you cant randomly go like "oh ill build a villa here!". now its harder, you must plan the economic *stability* as well!

overall, i love these changes made. harder start is not a bad thing. it makes people rp, to receive help. and rp equals fun. which, we all know!

[KhronosVII 14]

the system seems to be working, lets just try it for a while

[Sir_Vilku 15]

The new system is fine. You can be pretty good at a weapon or craft in a day or two but it should take weeks of this game to master. And this is aegis gold not earth gold cannot use the same logic or physics. Aegis gold is used for making magic staves and gold armor has slightly more durability than iron.

yes! lets say, gold has *magical protective aura* to it, which can only be penetrated by diamond!

[ActOfGod 0]

There are plenty of ways to get wood and other materials. Monsters drop diamond and Iron too I believe, and fishing provides a chance for treasure at level 30 or above. You could also just buy the required items. Everything is a lot more of a pain in the ass, I agree. But, you all need to realize there ARE plenty of ways to get most materials, even if no one is selling them.

[argonian 14254]

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Gold is rare, problems?

Want to get wooden materials? There's this nifty thing kids are doing these days called TRADING AND ROLEPLAYING WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

What I'm saying is that there is no point in needing diamond(more valuable) to mine gold(less valuable). Sorry for annoying you but you need gold to get diamonds and with this patch you need diamonds to get gold, eventually people will run out of diamond and gold pickaxes.

[Lago 2572]

maybe in Aegis gold is harder as ore becasue its mixed with other substances which are lost in smelting!

Then it would have to be as hard as diamond, which, due to molecular structure, IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Want to get wooden materials? There's this nifty thing kids are doing these days called TRADING AND ROLEPLAYING WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

Where do they get the gold and diamond from? If your answer is 'Because they had it before skills', then I will smash my head against a wall and scream in frustration. If Skills is meant to be part of the server, you can't rely on it NOT BEING THERE. Also, "We got it back before skills screwed up nature" is techincally meta.

Also, you start with zero skill and zero Minas, so you need to get something to get Minas from, and now you can't gather anything or even craft a simple sword. Unless the guard are taking fistfighters, new players are stuck.

There are plenty of ways to get wood and other materials. Monsters drop diamond and Iron too I believe, and fishing provides a chance for treasure at level 30 or above. You could also just buy the required items. Everything is a lot more of a pain in the ass, I agree. But, you all need to realize there ARE plenty of ways to get most materials, even if no one is selling them.

I have never seen a mob drop an ore. You would have to kill so many, and all the time a miner is hunting, they are not interacting with other players.

And if you say creeper, how do you get down to them? You can't make a wood pickaxe, because you need a wood axe to cut wood.

Oh, and all this talk of skills promoting player interaction? The server was at one of it's peaks of people online yesterday, yet Al'khazar had SIX PEOPLE for a good fifteen minutes, after which two or three more turned up. They're all out hunting hundreds of mobs to get their swords back and not RPing.

The new system is fine. You can be pretty good at a weapon or craft in a day or two but it should take weeks of this game to master. And this is aegis gold not earth gold cannot use the same logic or physics. Aegis gold is used for making magic staves and gold armor has slightly more durability than iron.

People do not play LoTC to go out and kill mobs for a week. And gold armour is weaker than iron armour.

gold cannot use the same logic or physics

Do you mean 'does not', rather than 'cannot'? It's a fictional world, it can do whatever it likes. Yet Aegis follows similar laws of physics to Earth, it, like most fictional worlds, is based off of ours. Fictional worlds AMEND the laws of physics, they do not rewrite them. Minecraft is also a GAME, so the mechanics have to work. The materials you can get progress, they should not follow a loop, otherwise how would anyone have got them in the first place?

gold cannot use the same logic

Gold does not think, it's a metal. Stop spamming words without checking what they mean just to make your post seem more authoritative.

[Availer 681]

Then it would have to be as hard as diamond, which, due to molecular structure, IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Where do they get the gold and diamond from? If your answer is 'Because they had it before skills', then I will smash my head against a wall and scream in frustration. If Skills is meant to be part of the server, you can't rely on it NOT BEING THERE. Also, "We got it back before skills screwed up nature" is techincally meta.

Also, you start with zero skill and zero Minas, so you need to get something to get Minas from, and now you can't gather anything or even craft a simple sword. Unless the guard are taking fistfighters, new players are stuck.

Oh dear lord, I actually got hold of a PC and decided to check how LoTC is going and I saw this mad paragraph of simple lack of understanding and general foolishness. Skills was ADDED to the server. Just like WoW:Burning Crusade was ADDED to WoW. Remove original WoW and you really cant do much with WoW:BC. It's an expansion, that's how it works. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BLOODY SKILL SYSTEM IS TO STOP SELF SUFFICIENCY STOP ARGUING THAT YOU CANT BE SELF SUFFICIENT THATS THE WHOLE POINT. YOU MUST TRADE FOR WEAPONS, FIND A JOB, KILL MONSTERS, EXPLORE. Rather than... woop, cutty cutty, diggy diggy, cobblestone house, exit server.

I have never seen a mob drop an ore. You would have to kill so many, and all the time a miner is hunting, they are not interacting with other players.

And if you say creeper, how do you get down to them? You can't make a wood pickaxe, because you need a wood axe to cut wood.

You can SALVAGE WOOD, BUY IT, TRADE. Mobs drop Ores at a high percentage. You can GROUP HUNT, we can't FORCE PLAYERS to interact but we can damn sure make it more probable and that's what we did with removing self sufficiency.

Oh, and all this talk of skills promoting player interaction? The server was at one of it's peaks of people online yesterday, yet Al'khazar had SIX PEOPLE for a good fifteen minutes, after which two or three more turned up. They're all out hunting hundreds of mobs to get their swords back and not RPing.

There was probably an event. People don't hunt mobs and I've seen hundreds of players all over Aegis interactign buddy. Everyone is RPing and stop spewing lies.

People do not play LoTC to go out and kill mobs for a week. And gold armour is weaker than iron armour.

People play LoTC TO DO WHAT THEY WANT, if they want to RP there is a perfect RP enviroment if they want to do some grind theirs an environment for that.

Do you mean 'does not', rather than 'cannot'? It's a fictional world, it can do whatever it likes. Yet Aegis follows similar laws of physics to Earth, it, like most fictional worlds, is based off of ours. Fictional worlds AMEND the laws of physics, they do not rewrite them. Minecraft is also a GAME, so the mechanics have to work. The materials you can get progress, they should not follow a loop, otherwise how would anyone have got them in the first place?

Errr... This is Aegis buddy.

Gold does not think, it's a metal. Stop spamming words without checking what they mean just to make your post seem more authoritative.

Gold does what LoTC makes it do. I don't see you complaining the use of milk for Ale or sponges for soulstones?

[Sir_Vilku 15]

eventually people will run out of diamond and gold pickaxes.

isn't that exactly the whole point of this? so people cant just recklessly go destroy their equipments.

this, creates economic planning. which gives us more immersivity.

now, cities wont just be settlements defined by the numbers of players.

thay, will also be defined by their economic stability. which is great! =)

[Sir_Vilku 15]

Then it would have to be as hard as diamond, which, due to molecular structure, IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Where do they get the gold and diamond from? If your answer is 'Because they had it before skills', then I will smash my head against a wall and scream in frustration. If Skills is meant to be part of the server, you can't rely on it NOT BEING THERE. Also, "We got it back before skills screwed up nature" is techincally meta.

Also, you start with zero skill and zero Minas, so you need to get something to get Minas from, and now you can't gather anything or even craft a simple sword. Unless the guard are taking fistfighters, new players are stuck.

I have never seen a mob drop an ore. You would have to kill so many, and all the time a miner is hunting, they are not interacting with other players.

And if you say creeper, how do you get down to them? You can't make a wood pickaxe, because you need a wood axe to cut wood.

Oh, and all this talk of skills promoting player interaction? The server was at one of it's peaks of people online yesterday, yet Al'khazar had SIX PEOPLE for a good fifteen minutes, after which two or three more turned up. They're all out hunting hundreds of mobs to get their swords back and not RPing.

People do not play LoTC to go out and kill mobs for a week. And gold armour is weaker than iron armour.

Do you mean 'does not', rather than 'cannot'? It's a fictional world, it can do whatever it likes. Yet Aegis follows similar laws of physics to Earth, it, like most fictional worlds, is based off of ours. Fictional worlds AMEND the laws of physics, they do not rewrite them. Minecraft is also a GAME, so the mechanics have to work. The materials you can get progress, they should not follow a loop, otherwise how would anyone have got them in the first place?

Gold does not think, it's a metal. Stop spamming words without checking what they mean just to make your post seem more authoritative.

i propose we _should_ explain these requirements by past advancement.

you see, if we, on earth, lost all our technology.. we would be unable to get back in a long while. because the past knowledge is lost, how thay initially solved those problems. because, new better methods are introduced.

fpr example, the gold - diamond thing would have been solved by inferioir way long time ago, but that knowledge is now lost as we have a better solution.

and new players aren't stuck. i started my character THE day when skills came. i had no problems at all. (now you can get wood from whacking leaves of trees.. but back then you couldnt) i simply rp'ed myself a small donation of wood and went into the wilds. in a short while, i already had stone swords and started hunting pigs, cows and monsters for money. soon enough, i already had money for iron.

now, all you need to do is whakc some leaves and tadah, youv got the start without exterior interaction.

you have a valid arguement there. i agree, grinding means less interaction. but i guess, we all just have to grind ourselves to the max before we can rp again? =/.. the downsides.

you could, of course, propose something like this to replace it: each day, you can place 5 skill points in any skill you wish. no grinding for them at all. (same max limit)

id say, that could work out very well and enhance the rp by getting grinding out of game, while still having time to take to reach their destinations.

and yet again, materials loop IRL. yes, its exactly liek that irl. irl, you need item x to mine item y, and item y to mine item x.

how did it progress to THIS setting? that is, what we call _history_. (aka forgotten technology.)

yeh, we have a matter we dont have irl. we have atoms, gold. but why thay behave this way in aegis? because, we have _unknown_ element, which gives us magical properties by interactions with other elements.

and gold is one of those which it forms molecular interactions with. that is, how we explain golds properties while gold is identical to our gold.