Jistuma 1996 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, Wrynn said: they're the only slots you're allowed to use however you can put whatever you want in them. You can't place items in armor slots that aren't armor... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrynn 1349 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 53 minutes ago, Jistuma said: You can't place items in armor slots that aren't armor... Yeah, you don't have to wear armor if you don't want too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jistuma 1996 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, Wrynn said: Yeah, you don't have to wear armor if you don't want too. Why wouldn't you wear armor if you can only wear leather or chainmail and can't use the slots for anything else? You don't even get enough slowness for chainmail. You could at least allow players to use other slots to take more stuff if they don't use the armor slots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrynn 1349 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 53 minutes ago, Jistuma said: Why wouldn't you wear armor if you can only wear leather or chainmail and can't use the slots for anything else? You don't even get enough slowness for chainmail. You could at least allow players to use other slots to take more stuff if they don't use the armor slots. Essentially we're saying - you can use these slots and wear armor if you want. With those two slots you can still take quite a lot of things, and make quite a lot of profit. This is what I'm saying - you need to be careful when planning what you want to take and who will be taking it. Say everyone in the end used up their 3 slots (1st, 2nd and off-hand) to carry 60 blocks in iron each. That's 600 iron blocks. In total, 5,400 iron which roughly equates to 32.4k mina with the current iron rate. You can still make an absolute huge profit if you use those slots correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted October 13, 2016 You still can't....one of your slots is taken up with food. Because without food nothing happens. And you need to carry a weapon and tools. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jistuma 1996 Share Posted October 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, Wrynn said: Essentially we're saying - you can use these slots and wear armor if you want. With those two slots you can still take quite a lot of things, and make quite a lot of profit. This is what I'm saying - you need to be careful when planning what you want to take and who will be taking it. Say everyone in the end used up their 3 slots (1st, 2nd and off-hand) to carry 60 blocks in iron each. That's 600 iron blocks. In total, 5,400 iron which roughly equates to 32.4k mina with the current iron rate. You can still make an absolute huge profit if you use those slots correctly. You said they can only take 20 blocks in a single slot. 20 hours ago, Wrynn said: If you have chosen to use one of these slots for a stackable item you may only carry 20 of that item in one slot. And still it's completely impossible to be a threat, or enter anywhere without armor, weapons, and tools. Which would mean my calculations are a lot more close. Also, the guards can't have iron armor (if you're doing the dividing jobs idea) which means if the group finds a group of 3 players, they will lose in 10 vs 3 pvp fight. Why? Because their armor sucks and most of them won't have weapons because they actually want to steal stuff. This to get a max of 5000 iron ingots, if they are in blocks, and if you find them in a room with 20 chests, and if you're not caught while making a heist in times where over 100 players are on, while doing everything in rp which means a heist can take an hour to be done, and if after making all the work to actually get inside it, and then you can't even take swords/armor from the chests because each takes a slot, and if you actually have 9 other players to join you on the right day at the right time. And rp items such as rope, slime, tools, gags, blindfolds, etc? You can't take those either because of the restrictions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrynn 1349 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 53 minutes ago, Jistuma said: You said they can only take 20 blocks in a single slot. And still it's completely impossible to be a threat, or enter anywhere without armor, weapons, and tools. Which would mean my calculations are a lot more close. Also, the guards can't have iron armor (if you're doing the dividing jobs idea) which means if the group finds a group of 3 players, they will lose in 10 vs 3 pvp fight. Why? Because their armor sucks and most of them won't have weapons because they actually want to steal stuff. This to get a max of 5000 iron ingots, if they are in blocks, and if you find them in a room with 20 chests, and if you're not caught while making a heist in times where over 100 players are on, while doing everything in rp which means a heist can take an hour to be done, and if after making all the work to actually get inside it, and then you can't even take swords/armor from the chests because each takes a slot, and if you actually have 9 other players to join you on the right day at the right time. You have to remember that there's so much planning that goes into this. It's not, "I'm going to perform a heist today." There has to be rp leading upto it, there has to be planning etc. Also, the Heist system isn't just to gain materials, the RP is a benefit too - it's a whole new type of roleplay that's being introduced to thieves, and expands upon that type of roleplay quite a lot. The whole armour thing is to make sure the system isn't just used to get a 10 player raid. We're not going to give you a level-playing field in PVP, because Heists are mainly supposed to be used for RP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jistuma 1996 Share Posted October 13, 2016 8 minutes ago, Wrynn said: You have to remember that there's so much planning that goes into this. It's not, "I'm going to perform a heist today." There has to be rp leading upto it, there has to be planning etc. Also, the Heist system isn't just to gain materials, the RP is a benefit too - it's a whole new type of roleplay that's being introduced to thieves, and expands upon that type of roleplay quite a lot. The whole armour thing is to make sure the system isn't just used to get a 10 player raid. We're not going to give you a level-playing field in PVP, because Heists are mainly supposed to be used for RP. Yet then comes the question, what can you steal? Can you take the ownership of a house away? Can you steal machines, contractions, big magical artifacts? Can you steal nation minas? Can you steal blocks that are placed down? (gold blocks, anvils, etc) Can you steal keys? (lwc perms to a few doors) Can you steal books from bookshelves? (if yes, still not many since you don't have enough slots) Can you break blocks to get to the chests which hold the relics? (Since players do that to stop other players from finding and stealing the stuff since it's behind a block which they can't break) Can you steal from personal enderchests? If you want examples, I'll tell you a few that I've already tried to do IG. I saw a house that I believed was abandoned, I tried to take it for me. I had a big built item that I wanted to steal. I knew of houses where there were books I wanted to take. I wanted to steal armor and weapons from a guard force. I have, in many situations, wanted to steal keys from someone else to gain access to other places. I've placed items down so that they couldn't be stolen. Could they be stolen now? I've placed chests and rooms behind redstone circuits combining with lwc and craftbook so that they can't be accessed. Could they be accessed another way now? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted October 13, 2016 This is a very vague thing that is lopsided. Not to mention it was polled 5 months ago. And mine and many others have changed their opinion since then. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrynn 1349 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 53 minutes ago, Jistuma said: Yet then comes the question, what can you steal? Can you take the ownership of a house away? Can you steal machines, contractions, big magical artifacts? Can you steal nation minas? Can you steal blocks that are placed down? (gold blocks, anvils, etc) Can you steal keys? (lwc perms to a few doors) Can you steal books from bookshelves? (if yes, still not many since you don't have enough slots) Can you break blocks to get to the chests which hold the relics? (Since players do that to stop other players from finding and stealing the stuff since it's behind a block which they can't break) If you want examples, I'll tell you a few that I've already tried to do IG. I saw a house that I believed was abandoned, I tried to take it for me. I had a big built item that I wanted to steal. I knew of houses where there were books I wanted to take. I wanted to steal armor and weapons from a guard force. I have, in many situations, wanted to steal keys from someone else to gain access to other places. I've placed items down so that they couldn't be stolen. Could they be stolen now? I've placed chests and rooms behind redstone circuits combining with lwc and craftbook so that they can't be accessed. Could they be accessed another way now? So - you can only take items from chests. These could be rp items which could perhaps have sway over a landmass - for example deed to a certain land. However currently you can only take items from chests. You can't steal blocks that are placed down, as it's considered griefing. Also, currently there's no way to steal minas from someone - so you'd have to sell the items you take in order to get mina. You can steal books - yep, also with the breaking blocks thing - people usually hide their items behind big vault doors of which can be opened with TNT. 1 hour ago, Taketheshot said: This is a very vague thing that is lopsided. Not to mention it was polled 5 months ago. And mine and many others have changed their opinion since then. Don't worry - if the system ends up not working out, it can always be changed or removed c: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jistuma 1996 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, Wrynn said: So - you can only take items from chests. These could be rp items which could perhaps have sway over a landmass - for example deed to a certain land. However currently you can only take items from chests. You can't steal blocks that are placed down, as it's considered griefing. Also, currently there's no way to steal minas from someone - so you'd have to sell the items you take in order to get mina. You can steal books - yep, also with the breaking blocks thing - people usually hide their items behind big vault doors of which can be opened with TNT. Don't worry - if the system ends up not working out, it can always be changed or removed c: With this answer I kind of get the idea that the point of this is just to steal items, which then is kind of discouraged because of the restrictions. I can't even steal important stuff if they place it down. You said yes to stealing books, but at most you can steal 30 books if you take 10 people into a library with massive amounts of lockpicks (since you have to lockpick each bookshelf, though you might allow an axe... maybe). It seems pretty pointless in the current way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enyahs V. 173 Share Posted October 13, 2016 For clarification. If the attackers found an item such as iron that could be crafted into blocks, could they craft into said blocks to be able to take more than just 40 ingots? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrynn 1349 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Enyahs V. said: For clarification. If the attackers found an item such as iron that could be crafted into blocks, could they craft into said blocks to be able to take more than just 40 ingots? Yep, they sure could Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Textarea 719 Share Posted October 13, 2016 14 minutes ago, Wrynn said: Yep, they sure could could they take items out of a chest then throw them on the ground or into a fire? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrynn 1349 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 54 minutes ago, Omar Grimmer'Lak said: could they take items out of a chest then throw them on the ground or into a fire? That's just a **** move. Nope not allowed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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