zaezae 1098 Share Posted January 14, 2018 39 minutes ago, Evocress said: To formally write this up in two possibilities if you wish Ford. Then to add another small piece of flavor... 0 Upvote We've learned that hard rail-roading characters ruins the fun of roleplaying. It isn't a good idea. Rather than spit-balling ideas about other people's lore and characters, should have talked to FW players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E__V__O 2000 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, zaezae said: We've learned that hard rail-roading characters ruins the fun of roleplaying. It isn't a good idea. Rather than spit-balling ideas about other people's lore and characters, should have talked to FW players. 0Upvote I was trying to write a more formal way of Ford's post. That is all. No need to quote me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harri 4815 Share Posted January 14, 2018 minus one bad ammendment i dont see anything wrong with how it is now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaezae 1098 Share Posted January 14, 2018 This OP is just a projection about how Ford would play a FW. If we indulge everyone's personal preferences about how each race and creature should be played we wouldn't have characters but rather a set of cookie cutter hard rail-roaded 'characters' with no room for development with everyone's behavior and thoughts decided for the players. But I'm not exactly sure this is serious. It feels like a meme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suxals 529 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Mh... i dont like the idea, we shouldnt we going out of our way to ruin the fun of others, if the frost witches want to rp some sort of weird relationship why not allow them? They already have things stopping them from it. I think if you start to limit every creature to be adapted to what you want for them instead of what they enjoy roleplaying then even less people would play them, as previously stated, you should have approached their playerbase before try to force something upon them with lore... finally i would like to add that this seems more like a debate than a lore submission. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford 1996 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 you can have plenty of interesting characters that dont **** men or are in genuine relationships with one And yes this is serious @zaezae Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaezae 1098 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ford said: you can have plenty of interesting characters that dont **** men And yes this is serious @zaezae 0 Upvote Not if we start allowing randos to start dictating to other players what their characters can feel, think, do, etc. I don't really care if people can screw men or not. I just don't want people's preferences to turn into forced lore alterations. Have you read the entirety of the FW lore? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford 1996 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, zaezae said: Not if we start allowing randos to start dictating to other players what their characters can feel, think, do, etc. 0 Upvote youre right its quite unfortunate when randos decide to just say **** it to the original lore and disrespect the lore writer and the effort they spent into trying to create something interesting because they want to engage in odd sexual intercourse with their frost bodies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joltastik 506 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, zaezae said: Not if we start allowing randos to start dictating to other players what their characters can feel, think, do, etc. 0 Upvote The lore literally dictates that Frost Witches bear an unusual hatred towards all men. It's one of the key characteristics, and denying that would be downright lore-infringement. If abiding to the server's general lore means 'dictating what the character can feel or think', then what's the point of it all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaezae 1098 Share Posted January 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, Joltastik said: The lore literally dictates that Frost Witches bear an unusual hatred towards all men. It's one of the key characteristics, and denying that would be downright lore-infringement. If abiding to the server's general lore means 'dictating what the character can feel or think', then what's the point of it all? 0 Upvote Except it doesn't, or at least, not in the way I think the OP (in bad faith) believes it does. "However, Fjarriauga are as fickle as the chilly northern breeze and are just as likely to eat a man as they are to help him." This single line debunks the idea that the lore demands frost witches be mindless misandrists with no self-control. My character strongly hates men, but not all equally. Men who at least play along with her opinions and make themselves useful, my character /will/ think differently about them for it. However, if you even more strongly codify exactly how characters can possibly feel would take away that possibility in my personal opinion. The current lore, IMO, is perfectly fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford 1996 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 20 minutes ago, zaezae said: Not if we start allowing randos to start dictating to other players what their characters can feel, think, do, etc. I don't really care if people can screw men or not. I just don't want people's preferences to turn into forced lore alterations. Have you read the entirety of the FW lore? 0 Upvote https://gyazo.com/37a21d3fc8b68e308fd7289e9bf36d98 https://gyazo.com/47e1151144d808fb3a93156b93e534cf there is nothing explicitly saying "you cant **** men or have relationships with them" but everything im reading is pretty much saying "they think men are cattle and will eat them unless they can spot out their disguise, in which case they would give the favors" And I'm fine with frost witches being sociopaths, manipulative, using men to their own end if it means getting them their next meal or ensuring that their coven remains alive. What I don't understand is how they can get into a genuine relationship with men, have genuine sympathy/compassion and have sexual intercourse with them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demotheus 651 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ford said: https://gyazo.com/37a21d3fc8b68e308fd7289e9bf36d98 https://gyazo.com/47e1151144d808fb3a93156b93e534cf there is nothing explicitly saying "you cant **** men or have relationships with them" but everything im reading is pretty much saying "they think men are cattle and will eat them unless they can spot out their disguise, in which case they would give the favors" And I'm fine with frost witches being sociopaths, manipulative, using men to their own end if it means getting them their next meal or ensuring that their coven remains alive. What I don't understand is how they can get into a genuine relationship with men, have genuine sympathy/compassion and have sexual intercourse with them 0 Upvote They can get into genuine relationships with them because unlike people viewing cows as food, frost witches have been the same species as their food before. Not all frost witches are quite willing (in character) to be a frost witch, but were turned against their will. Your own screenshot says that explicitely. A known tactic of frost witches is to devour a married man and turn the grieving widow into a frost witch. Yes, she definitely wanted to join the creatures who ruined her life. She's heckin' jazzed about it. At the end of the day, people have never been cattle before. Frost witches are and were always people before turning. Why would turning to ice and craving man meat all the time in all the wrong ways strip away empathy and emotion? There's tons of examples of horrible monsters like vampires who don't want to hurt innocent people, but sometimes HAVE to for the sake of their own survival. Few humans enjoy the act of bolting a cow in the head so they can eat it later. It makes us uncomfortable to end something's life like that. That's why a lot of people are vegetarians, and others will only ever eat something that can be purchased in a form that doesn't look like the thing it was. They objectify it easier and consume it. I know I wouldn't be able to raise a pig from birth till butcher time, and eat that pig. **** I couldn't butcher it unless I absolutely had to. Like end of the world, either me or the pig, scenario. So, hopefully you understand how frost witches can have genuine relationships with men, as well as compassion and - remember they were people before - sexual compulsions just like any other living, breathing thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaezae 1098 Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ford said: https://gyazo.com/37a21d3fc8b68e308fd7289e9bf36d98 https://gyazo.com/47e1151144d808fb3a93156b93e534cf there is nothing explicitly saying "you cant **** men or have relationships with them" but everything im reading is pretty much saying "they think men are cattle and will eat them unless they can spot out their disguise, in which case they would give the favors" And I'm fine with frost witches being sociopaths, manipulative, using men to their own end if it means getting them their next meal or ensuring that their coven remains alive. What I don't understand is how they can get into a genuine relationship with men, have genuine sympathy/compassion and have sexual intercourse with them 0 Upvote 2 I'm not interested in the intercourse stuff, but it's not hard to understand that if someone is a loyal ally to someone else for a very long time will improve their relationship. My character has positive feelings for like three males, two of which aren't even flesh and blood. She tolerates some others and generally hates everyone else. I do believe witches should hate men, violently hate men even. However I don't really think it's a good idea to remove any and all nuance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford 1996 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 im not sure about the forced thing, i was quite sure frost witches arent turned by force but they have to accept the gift, though i might be wrong about that though @Demotheusthe uuuuuuuh analogy is a bit odd because you dont **** cows, marry cows, have cows cheat on you, be a widower to a cow, cows dont try and kill you and are scared of you and what not so i SORT OF kind of get what you're sayin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag 3234 Share Posted January 14, 2018 But knowing others are able to sex the popsicle ladies is the only thing that gives my gay boi heart a reason to beat anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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