[Amendment] Klones: I'm so tired…

[Eurielle 1189]

 

Klones was my first foray into writing lore where I co-wrote it and I actually opened up the pandoras box and created the death mechanic pain nexus. Hearing the profane words “It's only willfully learning you can choose not to believe when told about it so you can’t…” has thoroughly radicalized me, the enemies of the temple of Garumdir shall be castigated and admonished.

 

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The Juliet Potion is an alchemical solution that allows the Tawkinist to shuffle between Klones upon consumption. Should any mortal or Tawkinist drink the potion, they would be overcome by a sudden paralysis as they contort into a crumpled fetal position, their soul leaving their body to lay as it would, still alive. This would render the soul displaced from its former vessel, and shuffle it to the next available one should there be any. Should the consumer not be a Klone upon drinking the potion, they would simply be revived by the Monks (or applicable Resurrection system) as normal. Yet, should there not be any available pygmies for the Tawkinist to inhabit, they will be forced to PK, as the monks will not aid a character who attempted to circumvent death.

 

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The Juliet Potion is an alchemical solution that allows the Tawkinist to shuffle between Klones upon consumption. Should any mortal or Tawkinist drink the potion, they would be overcome by a sudden paralysis as they contort into a crumpled fetal position, their soul leaving their body to lay as it would, still alive. This would render the soul displaced from its former vessel, and shuffle it to the next available one should there be any. Should the consumer not be a Klone upon drinking the potion, they would simply be revived according to normal server rules or applicable resurrection rules. Yet, should there not be any available pygmies for the Tawkinist to inhabit, they will be forced to PK.

 

Reasoning:

Arguing about the opinions of NPC monks is a hazard to one's soul that complicates your karma and will earn you an unfavorable reincarnation. It is inane that the elite enlightened western esotericism roleplayers are talking about CT monks and acknowledging respawn mechanics when they're supposed to be suspending disbelief. Removing mentions of the CT monks from the lore is to help you get better.
 

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— Upon willfully learning and/or displaying knowledge of the process of reincarnation, an individual is subject to a harsh PK clause.

 

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 — Upon being taught the process of Kloning by a valid [TA] holder an edit designating knowledge of kloning must be made to a users application to track that an individual is subject to a harsh PK clause.

 

Reasoning: 

No more cyberstalking. No more PK baiting. This is behavior that should not be allowed in any capacity. I'm not even esoteric posting any more. It's absolutely disgusting. Removing the laissez-faire method for more bureaucracy is necessary because I'm so tired of people bad faithing Klones.

 

 

These changes barely scratch the surface of my issues with how Klones is implemented in Tawkin but at least less of us have to be exposed to its radioactivity if this goes through.

[PrimnyaQuorum 3999]

2 minutes ago, Eurielle said:

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— Upon willfully learning and/or displaying knowledge of the process of reincarnation, an individual is subject to a harsh PK clause.

 

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 — Upon being taught the process of Kloning by a valid [TA] holder an additional [Feat] application must be posted to track that an individual is subject to a harsh PK clause.

 

Reasoning: 

No more cyberstalking. No more PK baiting. This is behavior that should not be allowed in any capacity. I'm not even esoteric posting any more. It's absolutely disgusting. Removing the laissez-faire method for more bureaucracy is necessary because I'm so tired of people bad faithing Klones.

 

I'm not sure I entirely understand what's going on here; what do you mean by this? does every tawkinist have to post a 2nd FA when they get taught kloning before posting their TA? Or are you suggesting that if ANYONE learns about kloning, FA'd or not, they just get slapped with the PK clause?

 

Commonly atm people refer to klones all the time; the CATCH is they dont know the specific how or why it works and so they skirt around the clause. 

[Venomous_Pup 2978]

14 minutes ago, Eurielle said:

 — Upon being taught the process of Kloning by a valid [TA] holder an additional [Feat] application must be posted to track that an individual is subject to a harsh PK clause.

Wouldn't it be easier to just have this marked on the Tawkin FA as a hidden comment?

[Eurielle 1189]

23 minutes ago, Venomous_Pup said:

Wouldn't it be easier to just have this marked on the Tawkin FA as a hidden comment?

U rite, edit made, blind rage subsided (moderately)

[Gustando 1990]

But isn't a Klone CA in on of itself sufficient proof of this?

 

I suppose you could argue that "what of the people who know of Kloning, and do not have a CA?", but at that point why would you even undertake that without making a klone? Personally never heard of this.

[Venomous_Pup 2978]

38 minutes ago, Gustando said:

But isn't a Klone CA in on of itself sufficient proof of this?

 

I suppose you could argue that "what of the people who know of Kloning, and do not have a CA?", but at that point why would you even undertake that without making a klone? Personally never heard of this.

There unironically was an incident recently where someone gloated about being taught klones IRP before being killed, even though they seemingly were not. I think it is already being looked into, but without any further context of what fully occurred, it would break the standard death rule of not referencing Monk Revival before death (in this case, klones), and you can argue that referencing klones as something that you have been taught would leave you in the PK clause of understanding or knowing of the process. Regardless of the incident that occurred, I think it is for the better for the small use cases it might be used in to prevent headaches in future.

[Gustando 1990]

5 minutes ago, Venomous_Pup said:

There unironically was an incident recently where someone gloated about being taught kloners IRP before being killed, even though they seemingly were not. I think it is already being looked into, but without any further context of what fully occurred, it would break the standard death rule of not referencing Monk Revival before death (in this case, klones), and you can argue that referencing klones as something that you have been taught would leave you in the PK clause of understanding or knowing of the process. Regardless of the incident that occurred, I think it is for the better for the small use cases it might be used in to prevent headaches in future.

 

[tasty_cheesecake 2298]

tbf to chugging a juliets potion afaik there are redlines that make it impossible to trick someone into drinking it, making it not possible to conceal it in a drink or something. so, the only circumstance where someone would be chugging a juliets potion would be knowing full well that it is obviously toxic, and either they jet into a new klone or they are killing themself and should thus PK due to suicide pk rules.

[Tentoa 3160]

Honestly, I think a lot of things in Tawkin are poorly worded and require some clarification. I'd be down for a soft rewrite, keeping all the abilities but suring up the wording.

[Holyland 3650]

I genuinely think Tawkin would be much better if Kloning was its own separate knowledge part of it that one can learn optionally, but is separate from the rest of Tawkin. This would mean that people who haven't learned to Klone can apply for TAs nonetheless. 

 

Also, as someone who roleplays a religion that believes in reincarnation, not in the Kloning sense, but in the Buddhist generalised reincarnation of souls through different lifecycles as a whole, it seems very silly that demonstrating more broad knowledge of "reincarnation" renders one subject to the strict PK clause of the Klones.

[wowj 9747]

Amendments/Additions implemented into main lore post. Thank you for your submission. Moving to correct subforum to prevent redundancy and clutter.