To Preserve Faith in Spectators

[Slorbin 2932]

This was a fiasco that should not take place again. Upon seeing what has happened from several sides - I firmly believe this was just a third-party griefing alt, not actually aligned with anyone, meant to disrupt this warclaim and make it less fun.

 

Tech Team, is there a way you can disallow individuals in a certain status - like Recording - to interact with the world when in this status, similar to the Cloud Temple?

 

 

This warclaim should be fun and fair for both sides, and neither side should have to worry about potential spectators griefing these events - and throwing the legitimacy of war wins into question.

 

At the same time, spectators should still be allowed to witness server history being made. There are many individuals not on either side that want to have fun.

[KeiaTypeBeat 3277]

15 minutes ago, Slorbin said:

meant to disrupt this warclaim and make it less fun.

If that was the purpose, they'd find another way to cause disruption, no?  You're not gonna be able to stop third party trolls from disrupting warclaims. They're crazy easy to disrupt. Better off dishing out punishments severe enough to discourage the behavior, than tack something on the dev team's to do list. Imo

 

Recording status, as I recall, is used for other things outside of warclaims, as well. Youtubers come to mind. I'd rather people continue to be free to advertise the fact they're recording a video and still be able to enjoy the game.

[cometking123 236]

I believe that statuses can prevent certain actions from being done. As an example, when setting the "Musical" status on my character, I cannot interact with barrels or chests. When trying to ride to the battlefield today, I could not have another rider on my horse unless we were the same status. I am not sure what the interaction with the recording status and using levers, but the capability is there to adjust the permissions for world actions. 

 

I think we can stand to better document what is available when marking yourself as a status, and if recording is less lax, to adjust as needed. 

 

 

[Slorbin 2932]

5 minutes ago, RezRatKeia said:

If that was the purpose, they'd find another way to cause disruption, no?  You're not gonna be able to stop third party trolls from disrupting warclaims. They're crazy easy to disrupt. Better off dishing out punishments severe enough to discourage the behavior, than tack something on the dev team's to do list. Imo

 

Recording status, as I recall, is used for other things outside of warclaims, as well. Youtubers come to mind. I'd rather people continue to be free to advertise the fact they're recording a video and still be able to enjoy the game.

The recording status may have originally been used for youtubers, but you are prevented from doing certain things while status'd as a recorder already. Your size is changed and a few things cannot be interacted with like Cometking said.

They would find another way to cause disruption... But you can at least minimize it now. If there's already a way to do it easily like Cometking123 said, why not implement it quickly?

This is why I ask if it's possible at the top of the post, as oppose to flat-out request or demand they do it. It's not my place to govern what they can do, but if it's super easy, why not give it a shot? I don't know the backend well enough, so it's worth an ask.

Currently, ALL statuses cannot open chests or break blocks, I believe. Doors can be opened and levers can be used.

[Kholibrii 1211]

At the end of the day, this was someone maliciously trying to ruin this raid. There are a million ways people can use loopholes in mechanics to try to ruin someone else's experience. If the tech team spent all their time fixing every little loophole, nothing else would ever get done.

A better solution would be a transparent discussion between moderation & the playerbase on how issues like this will be handled and a set of rules/basis for future rulings. In what situation does something like this make a raid void VS just not allowing captures? Someone will always try to ruin the fun. It is better to have a transparent method of handling these problems rather than wasting time trying to solve them after the fact.

[Borin 7645]

yes but its funny

[Slorbin 2932]

16 minutes ago, Borin said:

yes but its funny

[Rig 17580]

P sure that guy was on your side, KBR killed him when he fought on your side. If he came back to sabotage you after death, you can report him for violating death rules.

 

EDIT: Just read the main post, I basically said water is wet lmfao. I agree, team griefing should not be enabled. 

[Slorbin 2932]

36 minutes ago, Rig said:

P sure that guy was on your side, KBR killed him when he fought on your side. If he came back to sabotage you after death, you can report him for violating death rules.

 

EDIT: Just read the main post, I basically said water is wet lmfao. I agree, team griefing should not be enabled. 

To be perfectly clear, yeah, I don't think he was on either of our sides *actually*. Empire of man persona, fighting for the dwarves, griefing them and doing absolutely nothing else - No posts, one login to the forums, and all of his human skins have either been random armor or the most racist thing I've ever seen. It's just an alt of a troll, likely some banned player, who wanted to ruin the warclaim by abusing the faith people have in status'd players.

[Mestvin 947]

Idiocracy at it's best. We all know that if it was done on the empire side they would be seething and coping like the Urguan rn.
Instead maybe, just maybe invent an actual system that benefits all? Or will we get another flavour plugin that does nothing to contribute to the server aside from less framerate.

[spaazmatism 1017]

complete random salvian shitter btw

he was on the side of urguan. not the empire's fault he fucked u guys up

[Wand 1220]

This gave me Atlas flashbacks to when the Recording status got banned from raids for a little while for situations like this, as well as setting the precedent for a few prior maps to ban spectators in general (which is silly, since players don't really have a problem with people watching rp or pvp, especially since it's unlikely someone from the same side is going to use said status to scout or whatever)

 

Also, good catch, this looks like a CCTV footage angle lmao

[Yeetboy0206 1574]

I know it's not everyone, but it's pretty disheartening seeing more than one comment actually trying to just deflect by saying being upset about this coping. Here's the question: If people keep doing this, what's stopping the average LOTC player from just assuming that they had something to do with their enemy? What happens to friendly skirmishes, which THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, if people can't just agree to seek a solution to block off trolls from this avenue of trolling? This hurts everyone on the server, and wins that come from these are tainted with toxicity and hate. I agree with Mail, something should be done to change that.

[Digit___ 1224]

I believe the solution to this would be to disable interactions for the Recording status in general, folks in this status are either spectating RP or actually recording things. 
All of the statuses currently disable players from using chests/barrels, crafting/smithing tables, and furnaces/smokers/smelters (along with disabling persona scaling while status’d), why not add another layer of revoked permission to Status Recording?

[DancingZebra267 1626]

I have a solution... - kill all spectators