[✗] [Playable CA] Treelords, The Eternal Guardians

[PrimnyaQuorum 3999]

2 minutes ago, Tav said:

i mean fair to make it free form, but in the same paragraph you say "guided by the Trascendance Druid" so only way to give treelord out is by having a transc druid to help? does that not set up a standard to do it some sort of xyz way, especially since a fair amount of the current treelords can't have transcendence?
 

Kinda a consequence I think of it being so fae-esqe. I asked around and did my own reading and this seemed like the only way. I dont' see any reason why it cannot be circumvented via a druidic mart that isnt the 100th awakened staff but I'll think on it before this goes into mag

[Tav 4336]

7 minutes ago, MayRndz said:

 

I arguably think this is a good thing, the lore is in desperate need of an SOS as the recent stuff has shown, I would rather lore mag take more time and compare the two writes, or even combine them to create something of the two than have one write that ends up with a lot of issues down the road. I think there are a lot of good things in Mars’s rewrite but some of the current flaws and problems did not get fixed; as opposed to this rewrite focused on some of those problems and likely introduces some new issues. I think both can counter balance one another in some ways.

that's what we thought for the druid v druid rewrites and then they both got denied LOL 

[Tav 4336]

30 minutes ago, PrimnyaQuorum said:

Kinda a consequence I think of it being so fae-esqe. I asked around and did my own reading and this seemed like the only way. I dont' see any reason why it cannot be circumvented via a druidic mart that isnt the 100th awakened staff but I'll think on it before this goes into mag

druids innately hold a connection to the fae realm regardless if they're a super evil seer or blood mage or wtv. do all treelords who don't have transcendence have to make the switch or do they only need transcendence to turn another? 
same thing goes for needing t5 blight healing. why do we NEED blight healing to become a soul tree?

[Beardicuss 486]

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[Ardory 2978]

The moment I saw Prima wrote lore I knew there was a good chance of people arguing.

 

I am glad it happened again.

[Chuuwys 502]

16 minutes ago, Tav said:

i mean fair to make it free form, but in the same paragraph you say "guided by the Trascendance Druid" so only way to give treelord out is by having a transc druid to help? does that not set up a standard to do it some sort of xyz way, especially since a fair amount of the current treelords can't have transcendence?

to be very clear it's interesting to claim earlier, having obviously not properly read through the piece and immediately casting a negative net over the whole thing from the get-go, that somehow the write was done in spite of or as a result of recent IRP events, but then also acknowledge that the rewrite means it likely won't benefit the "fair amount of current treelords" - aka blood magic druids, a specific group within the current lineup of those with the CA. before the recent string of deaths, that was not the case. and between active and inactive CA holders, blood mages do not make the majority iirc. the writing by prima only mentions someone in the ritual who is contributing will need transendence, not even necessarily the treelord leading it. the writing is not a purposeful punishment, it's an acknowledgement that to have something be fae aligned at all, you might need the most fae-like of druids to assist.

which makes sense - you're going into the fae realm to make a fae-based CA.

you could maybe make an amendment to have BM druids shunt into the fae realms and do so by force, circumventing the need for a transcendence druid but allowing for a more harrowing way of attaining the CA that could have its own twisted effects. but by then you'd either have to remove the fae part entirely to justify going into a fae-themed CA, or allow it but with caveats that it enhances more negative mental side effects as the fae part of your soul continues to contradict the blood magic effects even if you circumvent the PK (under current BM redlines)

[Tav 4336]

19 minutes ago, Chuuwys said:

to be very clear it's interesting to claim earlier, having obviously not properly read through the piece and immediately casting a negative net over the whole thing from the get-go, that somehow the write was done in spite of or as a result of recent IRP events, but then also acknowledge that the rewrite means it likely won't benefit the "fair amount of current treelords" - aka blood magic druids, a specific group within the current lineup of those with the CA. before the recent string of deaths, that was not the case. and between active and inactive CA holders, blood mages do not make the majority iirc. the writing by prima only mentions someone in the ritual who is contributing will need transendence, not even necessarily the treelord leading it. the writing is not a purposeful punishment, it's an acknowledgement that to have something be fae aligned at all, you might need the most fae-like of druids to assist.

which makes sense - you're going into the fae realm to make a fae-based CA.

you could maybe make an amendment to have BM druids shunt into the fae realms and do so by force, circumventing the need for a transcendence druid but allowing for a more harrowing way of attaining the CA that could have its own twisted effects. but by then you'd either have to remove the fae part entirely to justify going into a fae-themed CA, or allow it but with caveats that it enhances more negative mental side effects as the fae part of your soul continues to contradict the blood magic effects even if you circumvent the PK (under current BM redlines)

i mean that's my point though. why complicate it when you can just make it a creation ritual that's open for everyone to do; like the remnants involved in the previous write, just because blood druids aren't a large number doesn't mean they shouldn't be a number considered. the same concerns were given back in the other rewrite; i can't be concerned about a CA being too swung in the favor of a certain druid niche? 
the mistake is thinking the only way to access the fae vibes is like ... barred by an FA. also the set-up of treelords being fae-aligned because a transcendent druid connected them just feels weak in general as validation.

edit: nvm apolocheese, it's the same thing about making a deal with the fae i just missed it because it's only explained in like 3 words. again, a very simplified version and the last thing the CA needs is simplified .. just look at the current accepted one LOL. it doesn't even specify anything about the deal though; do i bring something back? is my soul joined to the fae i make a pact with?? 
 

[Beardicuss 486]

16 minutes ago, Ardory said:

The moment I saw Prima wrote lore I knew there was a good chance of people arguing.

 

I am glad it happened again

I know it's great want some popcorn?

[NightcastorKitty 2779]

25 minutes ago, Tav said:

just because blood druids aren't a large number doesn't mean they shouldn't be a number considered. the same concerns were given back in the other rewrite; i can't be concerned about a CA being too swung in the favor of a certain druid niche? 

 

@PrimnyaQuorum

To help clarify for you both. Arguably after the PKs as current, half the remaining are blood Treelords. I wouldn't bar one path or another. 

 

 

 

 

[Suzzie 866]

Kinda have to disagree about the BH necessity, and I do think BM druids should be considered in the context- As Delmo said they are ~half the population of treelords right now. 

45 minutes ago, Chuuwys said:

you could maybe make an amendment to have BM druids shunt into the fae realms and do so by force, circumventing the need for a transcendence druid but allowing for a more harrowing way of attaining the CA that could have its own twisted effects. but by then you'd either have to remove the fae part entirely to justify going into a fae-themed CA, or allow it but with caveats that it enhances more negative mental side effects as the fae part of your soul continues to contradict the blood magic effects even if you circumvent the PK (under current BM redlines)

I mean considering Mori (TRUE fae) can learn BM without any drawbacks, is it really a stretch here for something that's demi-fae? 

[PrimnyaQuorum 3999]

30 minutes ago, NightcastorKitty said:

 

@PrimnyaQuorum

To help clarify for you both. Arguably after the PKs as current, half the remaining are blood Treelords. I wouldn't bar one path or another. 

 

 

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Suzzie said:

Kinda have to disagree about the BH necessity, and I do think BM druids should be considered in the context- As Delmo said they are ~half the population of treelords right now. 

I mean considering Mori (TRUE fae) can learn BM without any drawbacks, is it really a stretch here for something that's demi-fae? 

Afaik the intent when writing, the treelord doesn't have to have transcendence, they just need to have a druid that is max tier transcendence to aid in the ritual.

I'm iffy on it. I may change it

[KeiaTypeBeat 3276]

23 hours ago, RaiderBlue said:

No music to give it aura...

 

I made an attempt, it's a playlist

[Stag 3229]

13 hours ago, RezRatKeia said:

I made an attempt

 

 

OOoo Good choice. Here is my music suggestion!

 

 

 

 

[Badgermordakin 760]

Druid lore peak written by a voidal mage??????? What??????

[Pallodium 3775]

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