Dun_Irongut 104 Share Posted February 10, 2012 *A note is posted directly under the thesis, with large red lettering* A Response te these Ideas Aye, this is a good system. If I may impose some changes? As the leader uv un uv three prominent Dwarven cities, I suggest that use uv these.. councils is greatly overused. We are done with most uv 'em. There should be two councils, un made up uv the kings and un uv the clans. Nothin' more then that. What I think we should 'ave, is somethin like.. The 'olds uv the Nation The Race is allied under a common empire. 'olm, Karik, & Kal’Dwain are each independent holds. Each 'old is ruled by a High-Thane, who pays allegiance te the High-King in the form of taxes (In the form of ore, which may be collected by any means), trade, and troops when the High-King declares war. The Capital The Capital is defined as the Hold of the current High-King. It shall be the official capital of the Dwarves, and will hold the main bases for every Official Guild. Positions and Powers Within the Empire The 'igh King Chosen by the Thanes every 50 years? The powers uv the the high-king include diplomacy with other nations and the ability te go te war. 'igh-Thane The ruler uv a 'old, is out ranked only by the 'igh-King. The 'igh-Thane resides within 'is 'old, and presides over all of it’s day to day affairs. The 'igh-Thane is a hereditary position unless the 'igh-King believes the next in line te be unfit fer rule. Thane An important figure within un uve the 'olds, is outranked by the High-Thane, who is in turn outranked by the 'igh-King. Is a distinguished member uv the Dwarves ((A Donator or important member of a 'old. EX: Clan Lords)), who will receive a small plot of land on which to build a small estate or town if one is available or 'as been designated for creation by the king. This is optional, and the Thane can chose to live anywhere in any uv the 'olds. The Clan Council Meets often and suggests changes te the king based on the decisions they make. The clans should nay be abolished, our culture is clans, our lively'ood is clans, our blood is clans.. -Darius Irongut, Baron uv Kal'Dwain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles_Grimlie 1072 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Aye, this is a good system. If I may impose some changes? As the leader uv un uv three prominent Dwarven cities, I suggest that use uv these.. councils is greatly overused. We are done with most uv 'em. There should be two councils, un made up uv the kings and un uv the clans. Nothin' more then that. What I think we should 'ave, is somethin like.. The 'olds uv the Nation The Race is allied under a common empire. 'olm, Karik, & Kal’Dwain are each independent holds. Each 'old is ruled by a High-Thane, who pays allegiance te the High-King in the form of taxes (In the form of ore, which may be collected by any means), trade, and troops when the High-King declares war. The Capital The Capital is defined as the Hold of the current High-King. It shall be the official capital of the Dwarves, and will hold the main bases for every Official Guild. Positions and Powers Within the Empire The 'igh King Chosen by the Thanes every 50 years? The powers uv the the high-king include diplomacy with other nations and the ability te go te war. 'igh-Thane The ruler uv a 'old, is out ranked only by the 'igh-King. The 'igh-Thane resides within 'is 'old, and presides over all of it’s day to day affairs. The 'igh-Thane is a hereditary position unless the 'igh-King believes the next in line te be unfit fer rule. Thane An important figure within un uve the 'olds, is outranked by the High-Thane, who is in turn outranked by the 'igh-King. Is a distinguished member uv the Dwarves ((A Donator or important member of a 'old. EX: Clan Lords)), who will receive a small plot of land on which to build a small estate or town if one is available or 'as been designated for creation by the king. This is optional, and the Thane can chose to live anywhere in any uv the 'olds. The Clan Council Meets often and suggests changes te the king based on the decisions they make. The clans should nay be abolished, our culture is clans, our lively'ood is clans, our blood is clans.. *Notices Darius implementing the note on the board... And begins to talk to em!* We be changin' deos ways, da dwarves wish fer te system tu be less clan based as we wunt te clans tu be moar ov a social family sort ov deal den a right tuh power and roght tuh dem selves! An' we will be plannin' da council bit differently moar along da loines ov workin' groups sum wit loike da kingdom's guilds! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiebe 2493 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I got your pm get on TS so we can talk.() Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dun_Irongut 104 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Aye and my system is perfect fer that. The clan council, as ye can see 'ere, only as the power te make suggestions. Its only purpose is a government sponsored meetin 'uv all uv the family leaders te speak uv ideas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertimmy4ever 19 Share Posted February 10, 2012 *Longbeard sees charles and laughs " aint that crazy Charles? What is he doing here" *then he writes à note and puts it on the board. We are allready working on reforming karik, after that the dwarven nation will come. Patience dwarves, patience... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dun_Irongut 104 Share Posted February 10, 2012 *Looks at Longbeard* Callin' a past king crazy, hmm? It seems respect fer yer elders 'as died.. Anyway, I agree. Reform yer city first and then we shall talk uv unison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash_Rogers 130 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (( D War Fish? In what waters could I encounter such a beast?)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertimmy4ever 19 Share Posted February 10, 2012 *Looks at Longbeard* Callin' a past king crazy, hmm? It seems respect fer yer elders 'as died.. Anyway, I agree. Reform yer city first and then we shall talk uv unison. ((the last time longbeard saw Charles was weird, hè was chasing a pig saying stuff about the undead)) oi i respect me elders, i am almost as old as him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dun_Irongut 104 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Ah, ye dunnae look it. Good fer ye! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracker 4570 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 *A note is posted directly under the thesis, with large red lettering* A Response te these Ideas Aye, this is a good system. If I may impose some changes? As the leader uv un uv three prominent Dwarven cities, I suggest that use uv these.. councils is greatly overused. We are done with most uv 'em. There should be two councils, un made up uv the kings and un uv the clans. Nothin' more then that. What I think we should 'ave, is somethin like.. The 'olds uv the Nation The Race is allied under a common empire. 'olm, Karik, & Kal’Dwain are each independent holds. Each 'old is ruled by a High-Thane, who pays allegiance te the High-King in the form of taxes (In the form of ore, which may be collected by any means), trade, and troops when the High-King declares war. The Capital The Capital is defined as the Hold of the current High-King. It shall be the official capital of the Dwarves, and will hold the main bases for every Official Guild. Positions and Powers Within the Empire The 'igh King Chosen by the Thanes every 50 years? The powers uv the the high-king include diplomacy with other nations and the ability te go te war. 'igh-Thane The ruler uv a 'old, is out ranked only by the 'igh-King. The 'igh-Thane resides within 'is 'old, and presides over all of it’s day to day affairs. The 'igh-Thane is a hereditary position unless the 'igh-King believes the next in line te be unfit fer rule. Thane An important figure within un uve the 'olds, is outranked by the High-Thane, who is in turn outranked by the 'igh-King. Is a distinguished member uv the Dwarves ((A Donator or important member of a 'old. EX: Clan Lords)), who will receive a small plot of land on which to build a small estate or town if one is available or 'as been designated for creation by the king. This is optional, and the Thane can chose to live anywhere in any uv the 'olds. The Clan Council Meets often and suggests changes te the king based on the decisions they make. The clans should nay be abolished, our culture is clans, our lively'ood is clans, our blood is clans.. -Darius Irongut, Baron uv Kal'Dwain Lad, we ain't Northernors, det sounds like a Nort'enor system.... (Reminds me of Skyrim xD) As Dwarves we stick to 'un place, our 'omes. We shuuld rarely expand aside from 'olding outposts. As beasts of traditions, we shuuld reside in our traditional city, Karik. All expansions shuuld be turned into outposts, radder den fully-fledged independent towns. We are forging a nation, not a confederacy. Confederacy's be weak, un-dwarvenlike, and powerless. Essentially we've got 'un right now, a coalition of cities and nations. But we need to unify, all come to 'un place, and wurk on det un place and wurk on insuring our culture and race thrive. And no one said det de clans wuuld be abolished. As fer de' Clans, de clans will never be abolished. "owever, de Clans 'ave become focused on insuring demselves, and because o' dis we had problems like nearly every Irongut leavin' Karik over Hiebes quarrels wit' T'orik. De' Dwarves shuuldn't 'ave dun det. Dere nation comes first, d'ere home n' 'd'ere race, n' kin shuuld come 'fore all. Clans act as family groups, not seperate factions n' kingdoms (I do wanna note though that we cannot perform any kind of reform without having all the dwarves back in Karik. Remember, most of Karik is Dwarf-only. We can't go around hiring elves and humans to help work on reforms like other nations can. We NEED to unify, we need to be concentrated in one area, as otherwise our numbers are too thin and we are too spread out to sustain our nation With our current population I can't see us using all these other towns and nations while reforming Karik as a whole. As Dwarves, Karik should come first, its our home and where all of our culture lies. Our forefathers perished there and we should honor them for it. Splitting everyone up into a coalition or Confederacy will give us too little manpower to actual instate reforms and fix up Karik. We need everyone back, at least for now.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertimmy4ever 19 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Lad, we ain't Northernors, det sounds like a Nort'enor system.... (Reminds me of Skyrim xD) As Dwarves we stick to 'un place, our 'omes. We shuuld rarely expand aside from 'olding outposts. As beasts of traditions, we shuuld reside in our traditional city, Karik. All expansions shuuld be turned into outposts, radder den fully-fledged independent towns. We are forging a nation, not a confederacy. Confederacy's be weak, un-dwarvenlike, and powerless. Essentially we've got 'un right now, a coalition of cities and nations. But we need to unify, all come to 'un place, and wurk on det un place and wurk on insuring our culture and race thrive. And no one said det de clans wuuld be abolished. As fer de' Clans, de clans will never be abolished. "owever, de Clans 'ave become focused on insuring demselves, and because o' dis we had problems like nearly every Irongut leavin' Karik over Hiebes quarrels wit' T'orik. De' Dwarves shuuldn't 'ave dun det. Dere nation comes first, d'ere home n' 'd'ere race, n' kin shuuld come 'fore all. Clans act as family groups, not seperate factions n' kingdoms. offcourse clans are focused on themselves, wouldnt you? they are family, we all are family but the ones in your clan are the closest. i follow me king, but thorik is also me cousin and i will follow im till death! even when he isnt the King anymore. also clans are one of the most important things in our tradition, except for ores and war. but clans are realy important, this makes dwarves strong enough to stand up for themselves. and clans arent the problem, it are the dwarves in the clan. if they are loyal to their brother or cousin, then ofcourse they will follow him. clans are important and they need a seperate council, i think most of the ideas of you are good, but the clans need to have their own council. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracker 4570 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 I s'pose de' clans can organize a council tew speak bout d'ere opinons. But nuttin' ever gets done in Clan Council meetin's anyw'o. It cuuld be a recommendation meeting to de' 'igher councils. N' de priorities of de' kingdom n' de race shuuld come 'fore loyalty of a clan. As I've said, yer a Dwarf of the Dwarven Race first, then a Dwarf of the Braveaxes. So support yer Dwarven Kingdom 'fore supportin' yer clan. Yer clan still be of utmost importance t'ough, dey are yer kinsmen. "owver, if de' kingdom isn't supported, den yer clan will be open to invaders as dey mallock t'rough yer city turnin' it tew rubble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numrini'th Miiystra 2 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (I suggested this on ts to charlise, sack the idea of Grand king, make the three nations a council system, were all three kings sit there on equal power. every king has full control of his land, his people his army's etc etc. You would be united but not united at the same time. It makes sense in rp, Why would Hibe allow some one to be a grand king over him? why would the guy in underholm allow it? It dose not work in rp sense, but the three kingdom union works better I believe.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles_Grimlie 1072 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (I suggested this on ts to charlise, sack the idea of Grand king, make the three nations a council system, were all three kings sit there on equal power. every king has full control of his land, his people his army's etc etc. You would be united but not united at the same time. It makes sense in rp, Why would Hibe allow some one to be a grand king over him? why would the guy in underholm allow it? It dose not work in rp sense, but the three kingdom union works better I believe.) ((I am the guy from Underholm XD, but we are planning the grand king as a representitive not quite a full leader. But this depends on the position of plan though. Currently I am attempting to become the grand king and I bet hiebe wouldn't mind rply! As he's seen the reign of old king charles grimlie.)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
williewonka01 45 Share Posted February 10, 2012 This will be taken inta account as th' King 'as died it is time fer a change, and we must unite th' dwarves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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