Multiracial Or Not?

[Oghren Grandaxe 31]

guy i want to knowe, the i dea is that the new city is gona be a multi racial city. but some of us don't like the idea, for that i give you all the chance to give you vote.

1 would you like a multiracial city?

2 or a dwarf only city, but with a small trade post near the human border. and knowen to the other races.

3 or a dwarf only city, witha small tradepost but hidden for anyother race

[Pudclud 32]

To put it simply, I'd have to say that the Dwarves do need more people. The Dwarves have always needed more people. However, a problem arises when you have multiple races coming into the scene. Most people are thirsty for power, so if you let all these guys in, they are going to want positions. Nobody is going to want to be a lower class except a very few. So, are the Dwarves willing to let people into their government? Or are they willing to have a dying population?

[Supertimmy4ever 19]

((Yes and yes, it is better to make it multiracial, more people, more rp, and more money :). But i do think the city must be hidden so there will be some dwarven like rp))

[Blundermore 2741]

You do have to let people in unfortunately for any of you to get anywhere. Sure within RP it would make sense to enforce a strict "dwarves only" rule, but, and it is a big but. We are restricted to that of real life as well. You cannot think that the dwarves alone can survive without at least allowing other parts of the player base in as well. Many people think that when people make new races and towns etc... then enforce the "only a certain player group is allowed in" rule then it just detracts the amount of players that can RP with the rest of the server. That is why many thought the Mori at the beginning when they took a considerable amount of the populace then just said "we won't be letting anyone into menocress and none of the mori can leave at all". That was just stupid. It took players away from the server itself so that they could just go off and rp among themselves. If you're going to do that you might as well just make your own server as you are not adding to the rest of the community that way and it wouldn't make much difference.

What you need to do is allow people into your cities and culture, the humans for example allow near to everyone into their culture and structure no matter what race they are. The elves are also so and the orcs as biggoted and stubborn as they are still allow "honourary orcs" into their way of life. Can you not do the same? Or are you just going to be midget mori? You can hide yourselves away in your mountains seeking riches of your own but in the end it shall be you who looses out when all RP goes stale between yourselves and you have little to no contact with the outside world.

Something to think about

[Blundermore 2741]

You do have to let people in unfortunately for any of you to get anywhere. Sure within RP it would make sense to enforce a strict "dwarves only" rule, but, and it is a big but. We are restricted to that of real life as well. You cannot think that the dwarves alone can survive without at least allowing other parts of the player base in as well. Many people think that when people make new races and towns etc... then enforce the "only a certain player group is allowed in" rule then it just detracts the amount of players that can RP with the rest of the server. That is why many thought the Mori at the beginning when they took a considrible about of the populace then just said "we won't be letting anyone into menocress and none of the mori can leave at all". That was just stupid. It took players away from the server itself so that they could just go off and rp among themselves. If you're going to do that you might as well just make your own server as you are not adding to the rest of the community that way and it wouldn't make much difference.

What you need to do is allow people into your cities and culture, the humans for example allow near to everyone into their culture and structure no matter what race they are. The elves are also so and the orcs as biggoted and stubborn as they are still allow "honourary orcs" into their way of life. Can you not do the same? Or are you just going to be midget mori? You can hide yourselves away in your mountains seeking riches of your own but in the end it shall be you who looses out when all RP goes stale between yourselves and you have little to no contact with the outside world.

Something to think about

Edit: Damn thine lag! thine thee beast that plagues thy self ever so!

[UltraRed 78]

I'm sorry, Blundermore, but could you please write in a color other than white? It's very inconvenient for mobile users...

Also, double post. And I do realize I'm not relevant to this topic. :P

[Arbrek the Ancient 140]

I feel like that we should do a passport system like Hanseti, but that it has to be accepted by a member of one of the Councils.

[Blundermore 2741]

I'm sorry, Blundermore, but could you please write in a color other than white? It's very inconvenient for mobile users...

Also, double post. And I do realize I'm not relevant to this topic. :P

Well, I'm sorry if my colour is upsetting you and your mobile phone ways... perhaps if I pick another colour like... suppose black? you mad?

on another note though, the passport thing is kind of a stupid idea in my opinion. With that it just basically means that you are trying to recreate a national data base in a fantasy time period. It just starts to detract to the magic of fantasy really. Next people would start to try and do finger prints! heavens forbid of course. Why does this really matter? Surely the dwarves care more for trade and relations with other races than to leave the other races out in the cold. To do so would probably cause wars against the dwarves to happen more so because lets face it: "a race that hardly anyone sees who lives away taking up land without any real benefit to anyone else is going to become a target to other races". It is just common sense. If a race takes up vast amounts of space without actually giving any benefit to other races and just takes up resources for itself then of course other races are going to wonder why they haven't been delt with yet.

[Arbrek the Ancient 140]

True enough, I suppose. Still, I feel that unless you get approval from a Lord you should not be allowed most areas of the city. If the game were more realistic, the RP would come to us. Dwarves have, in RP, the best ores, the best smiths, the best weapons. Hell, if it's crafted, we do it best. But seeing as per game mechanics, any human warrior with some skill points can become a smith just so he can repair his own weapons just as well as I can, and can make a magical gold sword just as easy as I can too.

[Charles_Grimlie 1072]

It is also common to see human nobles crawl up to you on their hands and knees with offerings if they ever required the Dwarves's aid during combat...

Another thing I would like to mention is that we do have a very low amount of players becoming dwarves, although much higher than the orcs. Due to this I am curious as to where they are within Asulon as there are quite a few accepted dwarf applications but I have never seen the likes of said players.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

Half the trouble is the new soulstones, not complaining though. New players can no longer go to the capital in a snap like before.

[Salvalia Draamoon 11]

Dwarves really are spread out.

Analysis shows that orcs are generally not trusted and is bullied on if you dont live with them. These outside orcs generally are outcasts, from both sides. So the only choice is to repent, join the herd again. Sure one or two rogue orcs, but most of the orc playerbase are together.

But for dwarves, there is no bullying on. Its accepted by the other 3 races in anything. So they are basically another type of humans, with a funny accent. Do you realize the sheer number of dwarves in Salvus, Hanseti, and Rennatus? Probably only a few in the rest, and the balance of them in obscure guilds that live in god knows where?

That is the main reason why orc rp has succeeded, and dwarven rp has not. And the inability to access/distance from capital is putting tons of dwarven players off.

[Garukumus 81]

The playerbase is definitely too small, and we need more people, but I don't think opening up the entire city and all its secrets to outsiders is the way to go either. Maybe the trading district and central square, but we don't need humans and elves waltzing around the clan halls.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

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The main thing you're not considering though with orcs is that they are generally hated by everyone else for their crude customs. Dwarves are usually fun to be around despite their attitude towards people. I try to be the comic relief in RP while maintaining my character's personality. Which is basically insult everyone with witty one-liners and being very proud.

Naturally people are drawn to this RP and they don't tell you to leave when you're around them, like they usually do with orcs.

Dwarven RP isn't suffering persay. The dwarven populous is quite dominate in the server. The main thing that is suffering is what is supposed to be the dwarven kingdom is quite lacking with... Well dwarves. Why dwarves are living with humans I couldn't tell you. I hate the human nations now. No offense but just being blunt.

The main issue isn't the populace of dwarves or the success of RP. Those are both quite dominate in the server. The main issue is getting the populace where they need to be, by getting them where they WANT to be.

[Hiebe 2493]

I have suggested for dwarves to hate on the dwarves who dont live in karik. Hell hate on me as I do not. Treat them like outcasts and the only way to redeem yourself is to live in the homeland.