War And 'gm Incompetance'

[PtahWithin 1320]

I never said they shouldn't, but Hanseti did collaborate with the GMs in terms of making a war claim, they staked their claim into this war, it is legitimate that they have a Roleplay-Change of Heart.

They made their intention of betrayal known to none - not even the GMs.

I would have welcomed us coming off the ship to greet our Hansetian allies, confused they were here before us. Some dramatic dialogue would have ensued, before the Hochmeister's face grew cold and he ordered the attack.

But that is not what happened.

This is what happened.

You enter the King Syrio's Beard, and travel. Expecting to find yourself within the ship, you are very confused to be out on the beaches. Five seconds later, you are dead.

[Samson Option 9652]

They made their intention of betrayal known to none - not even the GMs.

I would have welcomed us coming off the ship to greet our Hansetian allies, confused they were here before us. Some dramatic dialogue would have ensued, before the Hochmeister's face grew cold and he ordered the attack.

But that is not what happened.

This is what happened.

You enter the King Syrio's Beard, and travel. Expecting to find yourself within the ship, you are very confused to be out on the beaches. Five seconds later, you are dead.

If that is what happened, then the Alrasians deserve more empathy, but at the same time, sitting in the shoes of the one orchestrating the betrayal; they could have easily feared the Alrasian lesser-skilled RPers attempt to metagame. I won't lie and say that I am an expert, but being objective and empathetic to both sides, I could imagine that if the GMs had to do a last-minute boat-dropoff location, the Alrasians OOCly may suspect something bad and intuitively may metagame.

[MediocreGamer 838]

If that is what happened, then the Alrasians deserve more empathy, but at the same time, sitting in the shoes of the one orchestrating the betrayal; they could have easily feared the Alrasian lesser-skilled RPers attempt to metagame. I won't lie and say that I am an expert, but being objective and empathetic to both sides, I could imagine that if the GMs had to do a last-minute boat-dropoff location, the Alrasians OOCly may suspect something bad and intuitively may metagame.

Hence why a "GAME MASTER" over-sees the event and prevents said meta-gaming to coordinate the event. Has no one on this server ever played table-top DnD and dealt with a proper game master who coordinates the campaign? This is role-play people.

[Respiren 524]

As do I mate, I even just told Respiren we'll Agree to disagree the night of the incident and he has harassed me ever since, asking for an apology, he sent my skype name a friend request saying that he is still waiting for his apology, I of course ignored it and now when I log on to teamspeak whilst he is on he sends me PM's telling me to apologize to him the harassment was to the point to where I have muted him on teamspeak. This behavior is appauling but he has always acted as such and will continue to do so as he is an asset to LoTC, this was stated when we had a google document of mishaps that occured about two and a half months ago and about fifty lord of the craft members stating that Respiren is unfit for GM duties, he was demoted at the current time I believe to silence the crowd but then promoted again at a later date to continue on doing what he does.

I suppose you could just tell a bunch of lies.

- I was not demoted to 'silence a crowd', and especially not in response to disingenuous attacks drawn from several banned players. I took a break out of disgust for how rude some of the players on the server are, some resorting to ad hominim attacks, lies and even personal blackmail.

You were disgustingly rude to me over Teamspeak, muting me and calling me a child, when I asked you to apologise for calling the GM's incompetent which I thought was merely frustration, and a fair request. Something simple you still seemingly still cannot bring yourself to do, which I've now accepted.

Seemingly you continue to have this attitude though, regarding the admins telling you the same thing I've explained here as 'running to mommy' and openly ignoring and refusing to acknowledge anything that's been said to you.

I sent you a skype message saying I no longer expect an apology and explaining the situation and the tension your insult and refusal to acknowledge that you shouldn't disrespect GM's causes me much as I have here, since your forum mailbox is full.

I sent you a TS message today asking if you received this skype message. Though as you've just said, you did receive it, and simply ignored it.

[PtahWithin 1320]

If that is what happened, then the Alrasians deserve more empathy, but at the same time, sitting in the shoes of the one orchestrating the betrayal; they could have easily feared the Alrasian lesser-skilled RPers attempt to metagame. I won't lie and say that I am an expert, but being objective and empathetic to both sides, I could imagine that if the GMs had to do a last-minute boat-dropoff location, the Alrasians OOCly may suspect something bad and intuitively may metagame.

You cannot justify destroying a possible great roleplay opportunity with attempting to prevent metagaming.

People will always meta of course. But me and every other Alrasian had no idea that Hanseti planned to betray us. It would have sounded like insanity to us! How could anyone have meta-ed something they did not know?

[Samson Option 9652]

Hence why a "GAME MASTER" over-sees the event and prevents said meta-gaming to coordinate the event. Has no one on this server ever played table-top DnD and dealt with a proper game master who coordinates the campaign? This is role-play people.

Mediocregamer, with Minecraft mechanics, I do not think the GMs would have possessed the ability to keep every single RPer in line in those moments, so please do a favor and realize that board-games and video-games have a different fluidity to them. I am going to be frank, but you trying to instruct what Roleplay is makes you sound quite egotistical.

[Samson Option 9652]

You cannot justify destroying a possible great roleplay opportunity with attempting to prevent metagaming.

People will always meta of course. But me and every other Alrasian had no idea that Hanseti planned to betray us. It would have sounded like insanity to us! How could anyone have meta-ed something they did not know?

That is the point, perhaps not you, but as an ounce of prevention, the GMs perhaps would not have even allowed a spawn-location change. If you are on this 'Syrio's Beard' ship and suddenly the GMs act like airline pilots over the intercom saying 'Oops, best change that spawn location', it may have triggered some suspicion about what was to happen on the other side, which I think you all knew that Hanseti was going to await you all on the shore? Destroying a great RP Opportunity is diverting from the point, an argumentative fallacy in my opinion, it was a great RP opportunity that you all were betrayed in the first place. Please do not get me wrong, I imagine this went pretty rough on the edges and may have had areas of improvement, but rest assured we should be empathetic to the variables here.

[Kanrath 190]

Yes, yes you must tell the Gms, there's no room for argument here.

I'm not saying the gms had any interest in sides, but posted that to try to make a point should anyone think they may have.

Where did I ever say you could not betray? What Hanseti shouldn't have done was act in a way that clearly made abuse of the lack of OOC information given to the gms and the total lack of any chance for Alras to discover such an action. If you see a pile of heavily armed troops on a land you intend to invade who are not supposed to be there, in no way do you simply assume they are allies.

Hanseti literally put blinders on Alras and forced us into a situation where we had no way of figuring out anything, and then when we showed up in the wrong point slowly one to 3 at a time, they clearly went ahead and attacked without any rp in a situation they had an ooc advantage. Even in war there needs to be rp that's been an old rule on this server for months, the fact none happened is a horrible strike against Hanseti's actions during the fight.

Alras had no idea where the fast travel point was still they started moving through it. No gm would of needed to say anything and simply have moved it right before the fight.

[PtahWithin 1320]

Gaius.

You keep using that word.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Egotistical - characteristic of false pride; having an exaggerated sense of self-importance; indifferent to the well-being of others; selfish.

Please explain how MediocreGamer fits this description in his actions here.

[MediocreGamer 838]

I suppose you could just tell a bunch of lies.

- I was not demoted to 'silence a crowd', and especially not in response to disingenuous attacks drawn from several banned players. I took a break out of disgust for how rude some of the players on the server are, some resorting to ad hominim attacks, lies and even personal blackmail.

You were disgustingly rude to me over Teamspeak, muting me and calling me a child, when I asked you to apologise for calling the GM's incompetent which I thought was merely frustration, and a fair request. Something simple you still seemingly still cannot bring yourself to do, which I've now accepted.

Seemingly you continue to have this attitude though, regarding the admins telling you the same thing I've explained here as 'running to mommy' and openly ignoring and refusing to acknowledge anything that's been said to you.

I sent you a skype message saying I no longer expect an apology and explaining the situation and the tension your insult and refusal to acknowledge that you shouldn't disrespect GM's causes me much as I have here, since your forum mailbox is full.

I sent you a TS message today asking if you received this skype message. Though as you've just said, you did receive it, and simply ignored it.

It wasn't me who told you that you were acting like a child, and as for the various other insults you received that night over TS there were thirty people in the teamspeak channel explaining to you that this is a public channel and that you needed to drop it, or take it to a private channel whilst then proceeding to say you're acting like a child, incompetent, etc. As for your message in which I ignored, of course I ignored it, I told you that we can agree to disagree on the matter and move on, but from this post it clearly shows that you are unable to do so. Now pertaining to players stating that you are "Incompetent"

Incompetency.

Adjective:

Not having the necessary skills to do something successfully.

Synonyms:

incapable - unfit - unable - inefficient - unqualified

Through past actions you have shown that you are indeed incompetent, and I am telling you this in the kindest way, I am being very blunt about it but many players feel you do not have the proper mentality for the job. And I do feel that being a game master, or a global moderator is a "Job" and should be treated as such.

[Samson Option 9652]

Gaius.

You keep using that word.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Egotistical - characteristic of false pride; having an exaggerated sense of self-importance; indifferent to the well-being of others; selfish.

Please explain how MediocreGamer fits this description in his actions here.

The word I have become accustomed to using based off of the behaviors of select players of the server is actually 'Egocentricism'. MediocreGamer is feeling self-important in the sense that he knows what RP is whereas others do not. Egocentricism and Egotistical, being an adjective are different, you do not need to inform of what I already know.

[Song Druid 1486]

Um?

Are we having a discussion of how he fits this description just in this thread specifically or are we allowed to pull other examples? ;)

Seriously though. This thread is perfectly appropriate. So-Called "private teamspeak chats" have been attempted and every time the offenders enjoy spreading lies or rumors about things and nothing is ever accomplished. After the fiasco the other day this seems like a perfect thread.

[PtahWithin 1320]

That is the point, perhaps not you, but as an ounce of prevention, the GMs perhaps would not have even allowed a spawn-location change. If you are on this 'Syrio's Beard' ship and suddenly the GMs act like airline pilots over the intercom saying 'Oops, best change that spawn location', it may have triggered some suspicion about what was to happen on the other side, which I think you all knew that Hanseti was going to await you all on the shore? Destroying a great RP Opportunity is diverting from the point, an argumentative fallacy in my opinion, it was a great RP opportunity that you all were betrayed in the first place. Please do not get me wrong, I imagine this went pretty rough on the edges and may have had areas of improvement, but rest assured we should be empathetic to the variables here.

The point is that Hanseti entirely failed to coordinate with GMs. They did not need to have changed the spawn location if it was correct in the first place.

Please tell me how my comment was fallacious.

[MediocreGamer 838]

Mediocregamer, with Minecraft mechanics, I do not think the GMs would have possessed the ability to keep every single RPer in line in those moments, so please do a favor and realize that board-games and video-games have a different fluidity to them. I am going to be frank, but you trying to instruct what Roleplay is makes you sound quite egotistical.

I am a veteran of table-top RP, I have been on multiple RP servers some minecraft, some were netherwinter nights servers, This needs "Global Moderators" and "Game Masters" they are two different things and I do feel that they can indeed coordinate and govern rp events in minecraft.

[Samson Option 9652]

The point is that Hanseti entirely failed to coordinate with GMs. They did not need to have changed the spawn location if it was correct in the first place.

Please tell me how my comment was fallacious.

You are diverting the point by talking about this 'great RP opportunity' ruined without atleast being empathetic to the difficulties and intricacy of this situation. Nevermind that, but I am simply urging a calm of tempers and perhaps have a discussion between the leader of Hanseti and Alras to affirm that there should be a better line of communication.