Hiebe 2493 Share Posted April 18, 2012 In real war would you be able to TNT through a mountain side ?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
no longer active 734 Share Posted April 18, 2012 There was no RP behind breaking the obsidian other wise our player behind it would have left. It just suddenly broke and they swarmed in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Ackbarf 67 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Yes, in the battle obsidian was broken to get through the guard post that I was in. It was said at the end that the person who broke the obsidian had a diamond pick axe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaCentaurus 173 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think that there was at least some level of error on the GM's part. The mistake is perfectly understandable, but I was in the TS at the time, and I heard little of what Respiren is saying he said. I'd say the majority of the blame, however, should go to Mirtok and his army. There was a river of OOC and /tells saying for him to not attack, that there had been a mistake - that he did not is the only thing that made this anything more than a simple error in communication. The Alrasians might have won, but this could have been a really fun, long battle, instead of something you'd see on Battlecraft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
domainoft 191 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I see a serious problem here, If we plan war events a week or more in advance, but allies can change side the day before the battle how can it possibly be organized? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aislin 4354 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Immature of you to make this. You shouldn't feel that you need to justify yourself. This is just furthering your inability to handle this situation maturely, like post-event when you couldn't exert enough self-control to move your petty argument to another channel. There is no need to make this all public, no good will come of this. You're just painting yourself as a victim, when in reality everybody is at fault. Also, stop putting blame on others. As a GM, you should be prepared to be more mature and just take blame when it's given, rather than lash out. In a conflict like this, everything is everything's fault. Deal with it and move on. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyShackles 886 Share Posted April 18, 2012 If you have a problem with what a GM did, you should be able to talk to your friends about it and complain. That is human nature. Regardless. Blatant disrespect to anyone is unacceptable (and I have regrettably participated in it, as well as most people.) If you have a complaint about the actions of a GM, talk to an admin or another GM. No reason to talk them down in front of them; it just seems rude. People make mistakes. Incompetence is existent. People screw up. If it was a huge problem, people wouldn't be GM. If they are a GM, trust that Neko or whoever else recruited them did their job. If someone is incompetent, bias, or just plain mean, they won't be GM forever. I do, however, believe that there should be a petition option to ask a GM to step down for the players. If a large portion of the server does not like a person, them being a GM only causes problems. Edit: I have to agree with Aislin above, though. This post is unnecessary. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blawharag 277 Share Posted April 18, 2012 In real war would you be able to TNT through a mountain side ?. Yes, TnTing into mountains has been done quite often throughout history. Now if you want to start calling out the methods of the Orcs tell me this: Where is the real life precedent for having a 1-meter cube of Lava that can flow infinitely to a hallway, blocking off the corridor and somehow never cooling? Additionally, we were not TnTing through an entire mountain side, we were blowing through walls within a mountain. So, do we still want to talk about the legitimacy of each others methods or do you want to take your ball and go home now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson Option 9652 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Yes, TnTing into mountains has been done quite often throughout history. Now if you want to start calling out the methods of the Orcs tell me this: Where is the real life precedent for having a 1-meter cube of Lava that can flow infinitely to a hallway, blocking off the corridor and somehow never cooling? Additionally, we were not TnTing through an entire mountain side, we were blowing through walls within a mountain. So, do we still want to talk about the legitimacy of each others methods or do you want to take your ball and go home now? Historic Texts show that the Chinese developed uses of gunpowder, not stopping at exploring it's explosive elements. I feel the TNT is viable, but I also want to say that I used lava before to mimic 'burning oil'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blundermore 2741 Share Posted April 18, 2012 If we were to include lava... I would say not to include it in such a way that it is just in a place you can't get around and it never runs out. I mean... in real life, we do not have access to a hand held volcano that continues spewing out lava until we tell it to stop. There has to be a certain time limit agreed in rp for how long a lava stream lasts for. I mean, you wouldn't use it as boiling oil and then pretend to RP that the guy is still pouring oil after ten minutes have past. It just doesn't make sense to do such. In any case, there has to be a limit of time on a lava source block when being used in such fashion. I think we can all remember the super power gamming lava trap in Wrath's clutch in Aegis, you know... the one that was RP'ed as an unlimited boiling oil trap. That type of stuff shouldn't happen in siege craft. I mean, I know it is suppose to slow down attackers but lets be realistic... your not running around with a bucket of lava now are you? No... iron buckets cannot hold lava at all and would be all but gone after about 5-10 seconds. And now with that in mind... if to say you were to throw lava down a stair case, it would be infact boiling oil. Which would only be there for about a minute or two before you could safely pass again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin 697 Share Posted April 18, 2012 In real war would you be able to TNT through a mountain side ?. Their was no TNTing through a mountain side. We used TNT to get past the dwarven magic rune door and maybe 1 or 2 other times to get past a few of the gates. Most of the damage done to your city was from dwarven placed TNT that backfired :3. Also to note both of our nations have the Magma Cube spawn region so both Orcs and Dwarves have a abundance of Gunpowder :P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Lud 1260 Share Posted April 18, 2012 War claims were supposed to minimize and or prevent these sorts of blunders and arguments. Now all they seem to do is prolong them. We type up some lore and then wait a week for a scripted event that is heavily meta-gamed by the defenders and that some of us that are involved in can't even attend because it's almost always thrust into EST prime-time. I'm done with wars, to be honest. If it's not a five-man raid that happens naturally when the relevant players are online and the cause is just, you can have that mess. Don't blame the GMs though. It's like saying that now that Osama Bin Laden's dead there will be no more terrorism. They're just a handful of players juggling chainsaws. If you're going to blame anything, blame the fact that players are such whiners and complainers that the GMs felt obliged to introduce a War Claims system in the first place. Now us war-fighters have to coddle the masses and jump through all of these hoops, bogged down for a week of stagnating role-play just to fight one war that lasts less than an hour and results in more bickering and dissatisfaction. The GMs are doing this **** for you, they're triaging this whole mess as best they can, and at the root of the problem is a thin-skinned player-base that expects every conflict to be some sort of Napoleonic charge into their own glorious victory. All of you that are complaining and nit-picking are the ones that influenced this ridiculous War Claims system into existence to begin with. Sleep in the bed you've made. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebanamana 410 Share Posted April 18, 2012 War claims were supposed to minimize and or prevent these sorts of blunders and arguments. Now all they seem to do is prolong them. We type up some lore and then wait a week for a scripted event that is heavily meta-gamed by the defenders and that some of us that are involved in can't even attend because it's almost always thrust into EST prime-time. I'm done with wars, to be honest. If it's not a five-man raid that happens naturally when the relevant players are online and the cause is just, you can have that mess. Don't blame the GMs though. It's like saying that now that Osama Bin Laden's dead there will be no more terrorism. They're just a handful of players juggling chainsaws. If you're going to blame anything, blame the fact that players are such whiners and complainers that the GMs felt obliged to introduce a War Claims system in the first place. Now us war-fighters have to coddle the masses and jump through all of these hoops, bogged down for a week of stagnating role-play just to fight one war that lasts less than an hour and results in more bickering and dissatisfaction. The GMs are doing this **** for you, they're triaging this whole mess as best they can, and at the root of the problem is a thin-skinned player-base that expects every conflict to be some sort of Napoleonic charge into their own glorious victory. All of you that are complaining and nit-picking are the ones that influenced this ridiculous War Claims system into existence to begin with. Sleep in the bed you've made. Ned has won the internet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmik 220 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Am I the only one that thinks we've probably overcomplicated things these past few months? Dozens of ignored strike reports, war claim tomfoolery that starts squabbles, lots of derpy charters that never really get looked at... and don't get me started on those VA feedback forms. Maybe it's time that the staff evaluates, consolidates and eradicates where it's needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiebe 2493 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Their was no TNTing through a mountain side. We used TNT to get past the dwarven magic rune door and maybe 1 or 2 other times to get past a few of the gates. Most of the damage done to your city was from dwarven placed TNT that backfired :3. Also to note both of our nations have the Magma Cube spawn region so both Orcs and Dwarves have a abundance of Gunpowder :P Dwarves very much like to exaggerate. Im never able o fight but I sure do hear bout it. I can see certain tnt being used but we need to set some standerds on it and how it can be used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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