Creation Or Evolution? Vote!

[hammer01 29]

I never said anything about contradictions and stuff in the bible, I was just saying that since the commandments are there, I think we're kind of meant to follow them. Else they wouldn't be in the bible, would they now?

The contradictions part was not aimed at you. It was aimed at everyone else who would take up the challenge. And yeah, I think that we were meant to keep the commandments also. But whether or not you keep them in not what gets you into heaven.

[hammer01 29]

This thread is 60 pages of this;

 

 

 

At the end of the day you're all idiots for arguing about your own beliefs. If someone wants to believe that they'll go to a place in the sky with their family then let them. If someone wants to believe that they'll end up in a hole in the ground and then just cease to exist, then let them. Live and let die and all that.

err... if i believe in heaven and hell, don't you think i would want to keep as many people away from hell as possible...?

[Lym 849]

What our glorious rebel leader SnazzyEnglishman said :3 

 

 

Is it so difficult to tolerate and understand each other? I don't exactly believe in anything but hey, as long as what you believe in doesn't make you a violent person, doesn't break the law and respects human right, s'good with me.

You're all just wasting energy, time and nerves on this topic, jeez.

 

 

 

err... if i believe in heaven and hell, don't you think i would want to keep as many people away from hell as possible...?

Who are you to judge others? What gives you the right to force anyone?

[hammer01 29]

What our glorious rebel leader SnazzyEnglishman said :3 

 

 

Is it so difficult to tolerate and understand each other? I don't exactly believe in anything but hey, as long as what you believe in doesn't make you a violent person, doesn't break the law and respects human right, s'good with me.

You're all just wasting energy, time and nerves on this topic, jeez.

read my other post. If what i say ends up saving just one soul, it was worth all the suffering in the word. Or arguing for that matter...

[the GOAT of the craft 606]

err... if i believe in heaven and hell, don't you think i would want to keep as many people away from hell as possible...?

 

Yes and that's a very nice thought but when it ends up with endless pages of utter drivel it's time to pack it in and work on converting people that aren't on a fantasy roleplay server.

[hammer01 29]

 Who are you to judge others? What gives you the right to force anyone?

I judge no one, nor do i force them to do anything.

 

 

Yes and that's a very nice thought but when it ends up with endless pages of utter drivel it's time to pack it in and work on converting people that aren't on a fantasy roleplay server.

Why not try to convert people on a fantasy roleplay server? There is no difference between you guys and anyone else out there that isn't saved, am i right?

[Lym 849]

I judge no one, nor do i force them to do anything.

Oh yes, you do. You are saying we end up in hell for not believing in your belief.

You are trying to convert someone who has nothing to do with your belief. Mentioning it and stating you belief in god and that you are christian and all is fine, but if you pester others, it's called harassment.

And overall, what if I don't want to be saved, hm? Then that's my choice and it's my life, I am the one living it, I am the one responsible for my actions.

[argonian 14254]

I'm not trying to convert anyone even. I'm just here to counter other people's arguments if I see a hole in them or something.

Actually you cant. The Bible gives a clear creation story. God made everything in 7 days. Plus the Genealogy of Jesus to Adam is produced in Luke( I think it was luke... could have been Matthew), and all the maximum it would have taken would be 10,000 years... so No.

http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/evolution_contradict_genesis.html Go down to Genesis and mankind’s appearance for a counter argument to that.

Oh yes, you do. You are saying we end up in hell for not believing in your belief.

You are trying to convert someone who has nothing to do with your belief. Mentioning it and stating you belief in god and that you are christian and all is fine, but if you pester others, it's called harassment.

And overall, what if I don't want to be saved, hm? Then that's my choice and it's my life, I am the one living it, I am the one responsible for my actions.

What do you expect when you come onto this thread? It's for religious discussion, you're going to get people trying to convert you to their religion and athiests trying to get you to be "rational" and stop believing in magic and an imaginary friend. If you don't like people arguing about religion, you don't have to come onto this thread.

[the GOAT of the craft 606]

What do you expect when you come onto this thread? It's for religious discussion, you're going to get people trying to convert you to their religion and athiests trying to get you to be "rational" and stop believing in magic and an imaginary friend. If you don't like people arguing about religion, you don't have to come onto this thread.

 

I can take religious discussions. It's always eye opening to watch Christians defend the bible, but what's not fun is to try and "save" someone from not being religious and to tell someone else that what they believe in is wrong. There's a point when everything said becomes bullshit and that point happened around 50 pages ago.

[argonian 14254]

I can take religious discussions. It's always eye opening to watch Christians defend the bible, but what's not fun is to try and "save" someone from not being religious and to tell someone else that what they believe in is wrong. There's a point when everything said becomes bullshit and that point happened around 50 pages ago.

And it's only Christians that are saying that...it's not the athiests in this thread haven't said stuff like, "I don't dislike you, I just dislike your beliefs," in the last couple of pages...[/sarcasm]

[hammer01 29]

http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/evolution_contradict_genesis.html Go down to Genesis and mankind’s appearance for a counter argument to that.

    In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth.” And it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the third day. And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so.  And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day. And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day. And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds—livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so.  And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

 

 

 

Are you saying that Evolution occurred in six days? I'm pretty sure no one thinks that... The geniology of Adam to Abram, then from Abram to David then David to Jesus is precise. There is no error in it. Nothing Within the Bible contradicts it.

 

What your doing is conforming Scripture to science, when we should be conforming science to scripture.

[hammer01 29]

@ Hammer.

 

 

I'm an agnostic myself. Do you believe the whole God made the world in seven days was to be taken literally? 

If it isn't taken literally, then you cant take any of the Bible literally... so yeah, i take it very literally...

[argonian 14254]

In the genealogy thing, the bible is clearly skipping generations. At one point in Matthew it says, "Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham" when we clearly know that Jesus is the son of Joseph and just descended from David. And David is descended from Abraham.

On the same site, there's stuff about the days, let me get it out: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html

[hammer01 29]

In the genealogy thing, the bible is clearly skipping generations. At one point in Matthew it says, "Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham" when we clearly know that Jesus is the son of Joseph and just descended from David. And David is descended from Abraham.

On the same site, there's stuff about the days, let me get it out: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html

Err... note that it gives the genealogy right after that... that way there is no mistake...

[argonian 14254]

Err... note that it gives the genealogy right after that... that way there is no mistake...

Matthew leaves out names and generations. Uzzi'ah was not Joram's son, for example.