Whitewash Orcs.

[Merkaken 516]

I like this post, Good job, Thore.

There are waaay too many Whitewashes... Normally I have my Orcs be from whitewash parents, my Orc realizing "This is kinda stupid, these skahers are weak, i'm going home", and going back to the Uzg to regain his honor to explain why no one has seen my character around as a kub. I don't think no one should be allowed to play whitewash, as that'd be very unfair, but personally, I think there are far too many. Thore does bring up a great point. +1

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I'd also like to bring up the fact i've seen plenty of Whitewash Orcs speaking perfect common. I'd like to point out (Correct me if I am wrong) that it is impossible for them to speak perfect common due to their tusks. It's like putting forks in your mouth and asking you to speak perfect english without sluring, stuttering, making any mistakes what so ever.

To any whitewash Orcs: I'm not calling you out personally, but there seems to be a rather large lack of actual Orc Orcs in LotC (Just my opinion). I get really hyped whenever I see a new Orc accepted because we get almost no new ones, or the new ones end up being whitewash. Help out your fellow Uruk brudders!

REMEMBER: If you're beign a Whitewash Orc to stand out, you're not really standing out seince every Orc and their mother is whitewash. You'd practically stand out more if you were a normal blood lusted Orc.

And honestly... Multiple mates? You want to give that up to live with pink skins? :|

[Secret Lizard President 313]

I mean the whole Iblees war in the beginning and everything else. I've heard several GM's (Can't recall their names) say that's speculative lore, and that it hasn't exactly been set in stone. If we could get a clarification on that, it'd be great. Also, some things like magic and villain applications should be required to prevent everyone from running around wrecking the server, but a white-wash orc isn't doing anything wrong. If they have it set in their mind they want to play an orc but don't want to run around smashing heads, I believe that's fine and I frankly think you have no right to say people can't do that.

Also, you know what I mean by freedom to play their characters how they want. No need to take it out of context.

[craotor 617]

Canon lore is canon lore it wouldnt be on the front page if it wasnt.It fits it makes sense.Also if you were here for any undead atack you would know that many times during a big one a gm would rp as the voice of Iblees and out right say the curse is real blah blah.You could reply " ohh it could be a way to trick people" well it could have been but that would open more variables that would only confuse more people.If you want to contest canion lore go ahead and do it ic but if its canon lore thats how it hapened

[Cyndikate 2303]

The reason Austin brings this up is because it is a valid problem... It seems that nearly all of the Orcs you see around the server are whitewashes (and is it a surprise that they mostly hang around the Cloud Temple?). This is detracting from the main Orc RP, which is what was created FOR the server. And yes, it is quite lore-breaking... If you want to make a friendly brute, why not make a human? Orcs are CLASSIFIED by their anger and rage, so play them as such.

Honestly, is it that hard to play a lore-accurate character?

If this is coming from the leader of the Orcs, you ought to really take it seriously, guys. He wouldn't have said it if it wasn't a problem.

The problem here is that everyone wants to make their characters unique and stand-out from the rest of the crowd, which is essentially lorebreaking.

[Secret Lizard President 313]

If an admin wants to come and say orcs can't be peaceful, then I'll accept that, but until then I don't agree with anyone saying people shouldn't be allowed to play a whitewash orc. You're basically trying to force them to be in your clique or they can't be an orc.

[Cyndikate 2303]

I think an idea to solve this would be Orc applications?

That way if players want to play Orcs, they have to understand the lore and not stray far from it. If they break the lore in any way, then their character's app gets revoked and their characters are subject to a permakill.

[Austin 697]

If an admin wants to come and say orcs can't be peaceful, then I'll accept that, but until then I don't agree with anyone saying people shouldn't be allowed to play a whitewash orc. You're basically trying to force them to be in your clique or they can't be an orc.

That's basically how mori worked, I believe Jexdane had his character perma killed because he broke Mori lore.

[Secret Lizard President 313]

We don't need more applications. We have enough as is.

Also: If you can't solve something in role-play, that doesn't necessarily mean to take it to OOC. It means to try a different strategy.

[Braxis 813]

We don't need more applications. We have enough as is.

Also: If you can't solve something in role-play, that doesn't necessarily mean to take it to OOC. It means to try a different strategy.

A years worth of differant stragities almost every possible one that could ever be thought of used failed due to many White Wash players ingoreing the Orcish players either trying to force them rply to join the War Uzg or die. Simply ran away or would cause so much trouble they would have to walk away.

And there is already an Orc app to the Server itself, If memory serves correct are they not reviewed by Orcish players? If not I think that should be it since they know the lore better seeing which Orcs who join the server are whitewash or not. But for the ones who are making the chars once they get on the server, or after a bit of time Should at least have a valid reason to be white wash and not break the lore.

[Merkaken 516]

I think an idea to solve this would be Orc applications?

That way if players want to play Orcs, they have to understand the lore and not stray far from it. If they break the lore in any way, then their character's app gets revoked and their characters are subject to a permakill.

While I don't like this idea, it is a good idea. I don't like the idea of making an app for one of the four main races, but it might be best. Perhaps a diffrent app for people who wish to play an Orc when they first apply?

[Secret Lizard President 313]

People are constantly complaining of cliques on this server, and by forcing players to play for you or not be allowed to play on of their favorite races is rubbish, and will just keep the complaints coming because basically what you're doing is making another clique. Maybe whitewash orcs are just an inevitable thing that you'll constantly have to deal with, but you should continue to do it in RP instead of trying to make OOC rules and restrictions for the orcish player base.

Basically: Let people play their characters the way they want to, within realism (Yes, there are an infinite number of possibilities why someone might betray or leave their own culture. Any culture has flaws in its upbringing, and each personality is different and could lead to dissonance between them and their culture.)

[SteelMarshall 190]

Hmmmm... this seems like it could start a flame war VERY fast. So before I go on, everyone, take a deep breath.

Okay... breathe in, breathe out.

Now, onto the post. I agree with the sentiment, as well as parts of the post. Due to the curse of Iblees, all orcs are cursed with the bloodlust. Even if this may only be a way to describe a personality trait inherent in the orcs in a way they understand, much how in RL history people had fables to explain things beyond their understanding, it is still there. And all orcs possess it. It would be lore breaking to make an orc who is some gentle giant. That would be like making a 7 foot dwarf. If you're going to do it, make sure its a soundproof story and RP.

However, I do not think it's lore breaking to have an orc who leaves for some reason. Obviously, it is impossible for any society to have ALL members loyal to it, so unless the orcs are all attuned to some greater hive mind, there WILL be those who are different. In fact, it would make sense for a bloodlust orc who is angry at, lets say, a stunted arm that makes him weak, to leave the War Nation and seek revenge on all those who shunned him, as it is not in the orc's nature to be submissive to torment from others.

Also, I think that it is unfair ICly to expect someone to explain their RP to you if there is no orc application form. Just my opinion that no new member should feel any obligation to put their character's backstory here to seek the approval of others. If you're character is against whitewashes, have at 'em; but I personally would refrain from taking it to OOC. And please, don't powergame because you hate whitewash OOCly and have your wise old orc see a whitewash and begin to flay him alive.

TL;DR

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[Braxis 813]

People are constantly complaining of cliques on this server, and by forcing players to play for you or not be allowed to play on of their favorite races is rubbish, and will just keep the complaints coming because basically what you're doing is making another clique. Maybe whitewash orcs are just an inevitable thing that you'll constantly have to deal with, but you should continue to do it in RP instead of trying to make OOC rules and restrictions for the orcish player base.

So trying to get the Whitewash Orcs who Do NOT have legitmate reasons to be whitewash and break Orcish Lore is making and OOC Clique? when it is Rp they are just requesting to know WHY you are whitewash and asking it better be good unless it would be lore breaking and that they should be Orcs true to lore. OOCLY since over a YEARS worth of Rp is constantly turned into OOC fights anyways due to some Whitewashes not wanting to lose. but Thankfully in the past they were never a real issue OOCLY and were ok with it to my knowledge, I am still a New orcish player myself.

[bungo 3965]

From the President of the United Confederation of Orcish Forces:

A Proclamation.

Whereas, on the twentysecond day of The Deep Cold, in the year of our Krug seventy seven, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United Confederation of Orcish Forces, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:

"That on the first day of Sun’s Smile, in the year of our Krug Seventy Eight, all persons held as whitewashes within any territory or designated part of a territory, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United Confederation of Orcish Forces, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United Coalition of Orcish Forces, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

"That the Executive will, on the first day of Sun’s Smile aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the territories and parts of territories, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United United Confederation of Orcish Forces; and the fact that any territory, or the people thereof, shall on that day be, in good faith, represented in the Kongress of the United Confederation of Orcish Forces by members chosen thereto at elections wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such territory shall have participated, shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such territory, and the people thereof, are not then in rebellion against the United Confederation of Orcish Forces."

Now, therefore I, Murkash’lur, President of the United Confederation of Orcish Forces, by virtue of the power in me vested as Targoth-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the United Confederation of Orcish Forces in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United Confederation of Orcish Forces, and as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Krug seventy seven, and in accordance with my purpose so to do publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days, from the day first above mentioned, order and designate as the territories and parts of territories wherein the people thereof respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United Confederation of Orcish Forces.

And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as whitewashes within said designated territories, and parts of territories, are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the United Confederation of Orcish Forces, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said orcs.

And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.

And I further declare and make known, that such persons of suitable condition, will be received into the armed service of the United Confederation of Orcish Forces to garrison forts, positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said service.

And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Krugstitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty Krug.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United Confederation of Orcish Forces to be affixed.

Done at the City of Stritzgoi, this first day of Suns Smile, in the year of our Krug seventy seven, and of the Independence of the United Confederation of Orcish Forces of America.

By the President: MURKASH’LUR

PS: You're Welcome Whitewashes.

[LaCabra (Soda) 1519]

People are constantly complaining of cliques on this server, and by forcing players to play for you or not be allowed to play on of their favorite races is rubbish, and will just keep the complaints coming because basically what you're doing is making another clique. Maybe whitewash orcs are just an inevitable thing that you'll constantly have to deal with, but you should continue to do it in RP instead of trying to make OOC rules and restrictions for the orcish player base.

The Orcs, if my memory serves me correct, have tried to enforce this in-game as much as possible.

There was a huge "Culling of the Weak" movement where they tried to find and kill off all of the Whitewashes on the server. It didn't work because people got too attached to their characters. After a while of RP enforcing rules and having them broken like nothing, it gets to the point where OOC enforcement is necessary.