Whitewash Orcs.

[Austin 697]

You can't expect people to give you a reason, no one on this server beyond a gm has the right to demand someone explain their basis for their roleplay. This is not to say that making a whitewash orc who has the strength and all the other benefits of an orc but suffers from none of the drawbacks is somehow legit, as that would be powergaming, but as a long time player in all honesty that is something I've seen with numerous characters across the board in any race.

As for the whole "why would you leave the nation, even in a society where so much value is put on clan and people (If not more so), people will rebel, it's simple nature.

And no, no apps for orcs I'm sorry but an orc app is too broad to try to solve this issue.

Now, a mini app for whitewashes and reclassifying them as like a minor variation subrace, sure. But you have to understand no matter what you don't have the right to try to suddenly steam roll someone into your rp. Forcing someone to join the war or die is no different then kidnapping under VA and requires ooc acceptance by the victim. Orcs as it is are such an overly controlled race by those in charge rp wise it is no wonder people prefer whitewashes, because it offers some rp freedom, instead of having everything they do controlled down to the smallest detail. If you don't stop this, your going to quickly find orc numbers will continue to drop because no one really likes being a puppet for the rp of someone else.

In short, if your going to expect people to drift away from taking whitewash or going a different race, you need to make your rp less...xenophobic and rp restrictive. I understand you suffer from Ibless curse of bloodlust, but it's bloodlust it's not steroid rage 24/7. This means when your not dealing with something that to your character sets off the bloodlust, you should be able to deal on at least a basic social level with the rest of the world. As for the pinkies are weak, that is fine because lets be honest, as op as orc physiology is, it's true.

As is right now..orcs are like joining an open pvp world server in an mmo, it suits some people but more often then not most will avoid it.

This is coming from someone who has never roleplayed an orc, or even set foot in the War Nation. Really? Your post is off of assumption and speculation.

[ski_king3 0]

Oh yeah, we have tried liberating them but all whitewashs hide in the cloud temple- Our balls are already in a vice bound to no-raiding rules, no warclaims, no combat in CT area. We've tried for over a year and it isn't up for discussion. If you play a whitewash have the decency to explain why your character is what he is in a few short sentences, if you dont if Orc Apps do come out you will be forced to kill off your character or write a new application that will not be accepted.

Really, this is unprofessional and kind of rude. I understand you feel strongly about this, but try to be polite. Threatening people when they are playing characters the way they like to, when they've already created and played their characters is not fair. They shouldn't be held accountable for an action that did not break any rule if a rule is imposed after the fact, and insinuating this does not create a valid argument. I think a lot of people viewing this thread are looking for mature discussion, and this threat is neither mature or thought-provoking. Try to keep it constructive, it doesn't help your argument if you don't.

[mr.gerp 21]

I don't think this is going to do much. Any RPer worth their salt can write a sentence or two about why their characters are whitewashes.

[Austin 697]

Guys, this isn't an argument, nor is up for discussion. I've grown tired of seeing whitewash orcs, and tired of recieving complaints about them. This is how it is, unless a GM tells me otherwise.

I've roleplayed as an orc for over a year, I am friends with the people who developed the orc lore from the base of the cannon lore that Availer left for us. None of you understand how incredibly frustrating it is to see it ignored, I find it incredibly arrogant and they shouldn't play a whitewash if they are going to just blatantly ignore the lore our fellow players worked very hard on to create. If your gunna ignore the lore, then just don't use it at all.

[Secret Lizard President 313]

Well you can't really force anyone to do it...

[DrakeHaze. 2524]

Really, this is unprofessional and kind of rude. I understand you feel strongly about this, but try to be polite. Threatening people when they are playing characters the way they like to, when they've already created and played their characters is not fair. They shouldn't be held accountable for an action that did not break any rule if a rule is imposed after the fact, and insinuating this does not create a valid argument. I think a lot of people viewing this thread are looking for mature discussion, and this threat is neither mature or thought-provoking. Try to keep it constructive, it doesn't help your argument if you don't.

It was not a threat he was making a valid statement on what would actually happen if there was a Orc Racial App and the person did not have proper reasoning to be a whitewash. Also isn't Lorebreaking against server rules and considered powergaming? xD

Keep in mind this is regarding Orcs and Whitewash Orcs and some of the people posting have never been an Orc... it disgruntles me quite a bit.

[Kanrath 190]

..I've been in the war nation a number of times, I used to live in Alras both old and new maps and had to deal with orcs more then a few times back then, but that is irrelevant to the discussion.

I don't care if your the rex or jesus, you want to be part of a discussion that involves the entire server don't just rip on people and their posts.

Akira makes some good points, though I do not doubt there are ways of gaining control over your bloodlust without the orc training, I suspect they are just as rigorous. Again something that supports the idea of a mini bio app for whitewashes would be having them explain this method. Sure they could just write it real well, but that is kind of the point so that when someone questions them about how they have not succumbed to the madness they have a legitimate reason.

You cannot ignore lore, it's just not done. This is not to say lore controls everything you do but you must at least work within the lines set by lore.

As for liberation, it's an option, but it still has to abide by VA rules so you will have trouble finding whitewashes who accept it even if you could attack CT (which will not happen, since people would abuse it too much), since it's kidnapping which requires their approval. As for apps, I doubt gms will force players to kill off their whitewashes even if apps are added so I wouldn't get your hopes up about that being a one shot problem solver. You may be better off trying to speak to the players causing the biggest problems alone one at a time explaining the issue, and then if they ignore it find all the legitimate Lore master or gm approved lore, highlight the areas they are clearly breaking and get a gm to step in and deal with it.

[SteelMarshall 190]

Just remember whatever your views to chill out a bit. It gets any more heated than this and I won't be suprised if it gets locked for flaming, which won't resolve the issue for either side.

[Cyndikate 2303]

If you guys are concerned about Whitewash Orcs camping the temple, this thread has solutions to your problem.

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/forum/index.php?/topic/72624-feedback-cloud-temple-issues-and-their-solutions-updated/#entry590756

[George of House Glover 372]

being a whitewash orc is borderline powergaming, with the exception of clans like the Bahrs, as they are Uruks, just not in the favour of the Uzg

[Sultan 3953]

Well you can't really force anyone to do it...

But I can ^^

I find it funny that most of the people that do not like this do not either play an Orc or a Whitewash.

Jingeh one of the oldest whitewashes was the first to post his three sentences, he did not need to because his on the list already but he still did.

No one is saying do not play a whitewash.

[ski_king3 0]

But I can ^^

I find it funny that most of the people that do not like this do not either play an Orc or a Whitewash.

Jingeh one of the oldest whitewashes was the first to post his three sentences, he did not need to because his on the list already but he still did.

No one is saying do not play a whitewash.

I think the reason people don't like this is because it sets a precedent that if one plays in a manner a moderately large portion of the server does not support, then they can be forced to explain themselves or perma-kill their character. This, and the fact that Thore was pretty much claiming he had the authority to declare such things when he, unlike you, is not a GM or Admin is pretty troubling.

However, while I disagree with your decision (if this is indeed you saying whitewashes must post here), you do actually have this authority, which makes this thread far more legitimate.

[Merkaken 516]

I think the reason people don't like this is because it sets a precedent that if one plays in a manner a moderately large portion of the server does not support, then they can be forced to explain themselves or perma-kill their character. This, and the fact that Thore was pretty much claiming he had the authority to declare such things when he, unlike you, is not a GM or Admin is pretty troubling.

However, while I disagree with your decision (if this is indeed you saying whitewashes must post here), you do actually have this authority, which makes this thread far more legitimate.

Thore was taking a stand. Not to mention, he's the Rex of the Orcs... So he does have plenty of say in this. Not as much as Mogroka or one of the GMs... But he is right, though. The amount of whitewashes is far too much, and as George said, borderline powergamming. It isn't really much to ask to give a good reason as to why said person is whitewash. It's like needing a good reason as to why new magic works. If the magic doesn't have a good reason how it's possible, it just can't happen. It won't happen just because someone says it does.

[ski_king3 0]

Thore was taking a stand. Not to mention, he's the Rex of the Orcs... So he does have plenty of say in this. Not as much as Mogroka or one of the GMs... But he is right, though. The amount of whitewashes is far too much, and as George said, borderline powergamming. It isn't really much to ask to give a good reason as to why said person is whitewash. It's like needing a good reason as to why new magic works. If the magic doesn't have a good reason how it's possible, it just can't happen. It won't happen just because someone says it does.

An IC position, at least in my eyes, means little in regards to authority OOC'ly over other players.

Anywho, this thread makes me wonder where all the whitewash orcs are hiding, as I've seen next to none in the almost four months that I've been on the server. Honestly, pretty much every orc I see has a common orc clan name, like Gorkil or Ugluk.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying Thore is not knowledgeable about orc lore, or that he should not have a voice in these topics, as I am sure someone will misunderstand me and think this. I simply don't believe he has the right to tell players what to do with their characters, or to mandate they share any information with him. I want everyone to understand my point, even if they don't agree.

[Cracker 4570]

I think the reason people don't like this is because it sets a precedent that if one plays in a manner a moderately large portion of the server does not support, then they can be forced to explain themselves or perma-kill their character. This, and the fact that Thore was pretty much claiming he had the authority to declare such things when he, unlike you, is not a GM or Admin is pretty troubling.

However, while I disagree with your decision (if this is indeed you saying whitewashes must post here), you do actually have this authority, which makes this thread far more legitimate.

This precedent was already set with the Mori and the Kha. I'm not sure why your bothering to argue now.

I'm fine with whitewashes as long as they aren't green humans. If they have a decent backstory or RP reason to be living with humans, that's fine with me. Just don't ignore the fact you are cursed with a sensation which drives you to kill constantly or suffer extreme violent withdrawal.

So, whitewashes that do RP a proper Orc should be fine in just explaining themselves. It helps everyone out in the long run and you avoid crappy re-skinned humans.