Your View: The temporary map

[Lirinya 4021]

If a GM feels that the player is wrong or if their reasons are unjustified, are the GMs not allowed to give their side on the matters?

[Jchizz 115]

Of course they are. But I don't think guilt-tripping and talking about how grateful players should be is necessary... or at least, something like that can be handled in PMs, as it's a person issue with the player instead of an issue that concerns the broader community.

[Lirinya 4021]

If it's what I see personally ,I don't see an issue.

We all have different opinions, some voice them different to others.

When you're sat in our position, it might be what you see and feel sometimes.

[Solaba 144]

Jesus CHRIST. Once again I see the ungratefulness strike. Yes, it may not be good n' dandy for all of yourselves, but it's a great time to experience a different style of RP.

[Song Druid 1486]

Unorganized? There are islands regioned and unregioned. A choice for all. Wild are further out but the world is only around 1k by 1k so it's not difficult to go walking. I walked across the world to find our camp RPly and found plenty of animals to kill for quick food. True, there may not be resources avaliable quickly but, you don't need them straight away.

Walk to the wilds. Kill animals on your way, cut down some trees for charcoal and tools, cook food, make stone tools. Just because you can't claim your own region, we're not here for long hopefully, this map isn't made with the point of settling down.

People see regions and think Oh god I can't do anything. False. The regions have use allow on, some have crafting tables and furnaces on them for you to use should you need them, there is also one camp close to spawn with a few free to use tents should you need them.

All I see in the people with issues with regions and what not is that all they want to do is freebuild. That isn't very RP. GMs have towns made for you to walk in and RP. If they're not there, the wilds aren't far.

As for characters, make them up. I'm using a character I use in Asulon, she knows the same people she did in Asulon, just with no actual ties to that place. They don't discuss it and their relationship is pretty basic.

Even if you joined in Asulon, nothing says you can't use a version of your char just to suit that time.

What would you rather have, no server or something to do.

Myself and several other GMs, tech team and players alike have been working our asses off in our own way to try and recreate something you would enjoy. Its not Aegis, and it isn't Asulon, it's an in between with a strange piece of lore. We didn't HAVE TO come up with a filler server as fast as we did. We could have said bugger it and waited until we had some proper 2.5 lore developed. We could have also thrown a map up like before, where everybody could do what they wanted. I'd rather LotC not be known for that.

Instead we've spent the last what, 4/5 days? taking barely any time to ourselves so we can get this done. All for its community who then love to judge when, god forbid, the GMs are caught having a laugh for an hour or so. If you don't like how it is, there is nothing forcing you to play. It isn't idea for everybody, but nothing will make 2.5 or 3.0 come any faster.

I take judgement on this, whether good or bad, quite personally. Instead of school, I've put all my days into LotC since the map was lost. Alec has spent hours upon hours trying to fix broken plugins, salvage the whitelist and what not, Roze, Rom and some others have spent ages voxeling terrain LotC would be proud of.

Yet I still see negative comments outweighing the positive.

I like the map. I see there are flaws as well. But mostly, I like the opportunity for RP. Don't get me wrong. But I want to address this.

First off, I am tired of seeing the "we worked incredibly hard on it so why don't you love it" approach from GMs. Not everything the GMs do, even if they work amazingly hard on it, is pure amazing awesome. Again, I must stress that I rather like this map (although there are many flaws which I think should be addressed).

Second, I'm inclined to disagree with your second point. No, you didn't HAVE to come up with this particular filler server or lore, but you had to do something to ensure the memberbase had something to do-downtime and drama already circulating the forums can cause more and more people to leave (and has)-I think you would agree that the staff has a duty to make that contribution, if they have committed to it. (In other words, yes you volunteer your time and do not get me wrong I am grateful for that, but the commitment has been made and as the body of LotC that makes decisions for everyone, you actually did have to do something when this fiasco occurred.

Furthermore, we should explore the possibility that the claims of "disorganization" delve into issues that perhaps could be brought up if questioned. Seeing as this entire thread is for members to give their view, why not, instead of the response you gave, which only criticized his post (I am not saying for or against it, I am saying objectively), ask what aspects of the map he saw to be disorganized? That way we could better go about fixing/correcting them.

Now. In regards to seeing more and more negative? Sorry, but this is feedback and instead of skirting around the issue and saying "just go around and kill mobs, walk around it isn't hard" isn't really productive. Obviously that's what he was doing, and it wasn't very fun to play SMP style, especially when there are literally hundreds of mobs at all times and people just want to try and Rp and get around. If you die and lose your tools because of creeper attacks or one of the many mobs in the forests, then you have to go about punching things to death and the like. I think rather than saying "just go do this, it's not that difficult to do", we can find common ground and perhaps look into altering mob values in order to allow safer travel to compensate for the huge amount of regioned land.

Other negative feedback can come from people who weren't around in Aegis who now want to RP properly so don't play their characters, or just people who dislike the timeline being yanked out from under them so abruptly. Why do you expect people to be grateful for every single thing you do? Especially when oftentimes we find out abruptly? This is another thing to think about.

So, I've tried to set an example here by posting my arguments and feedback in a mature manner, I hope you respect that and can understand that I'm not trying to insult, or diminish, but give proper, legitimate feedback and defense against what you previously said.

*tips hat

[Valentino MC: Mau5noize 1094]

Well we removed perms on the main island, and set it to build allow. So finding anything should be incredibly easy now. Just we will be taking a strict policy on stripming, griefing, and un-rp like structure. We have allowed players more freedom, thus we expect a majority of them to respect the map.

when we make the point "we worked hard on this map" it isn't in the understanding and meaning of "you players should like it" it is "you players should respect it and not grief it." Entirely different meanings. So with that, yes we worked really hard on this map, we are leaving the main island mostly unregioned so we'd hope and excpect players to respect their freedom and not abuse it. This is a completely realistic and understandable request from the staff.

The only thing is we aren't regioning personal plots. There are 4 main regions, the main island which is build allow; and 3 biome based island which perms were given to the nation that claimed them. And of course a global no mine region to further deter strip-mining and keep the level of valuables at iron and maybe gold. It allows an even playing field and reminds players what is truley important in our server and what to focus on; RPing. So now with the more freedom, i would suspect you guys would be a little more happier; if you have issues with the map or request, let us know so we can discuss the pro's and con's and see if we can add or remove what it is. No one is jumping down anyones throats. Personally, i am interested in what else we could do to make this Temp time in the server better.

[Song Druid 1486]

Thanks Mau5 for your response. Can you shed any light on the possibility of altering the mobs? They are pretty much my only complaint with this map. The rest is A-OK to me! ^.^

[Quavinir_Twiceborn 1050]

to confusing! and not solid!

[Valentino MC: Mau5noize 1094]

yeah of course, what is wrong the the mobs? i need a more informal issue so i can address it. I know personally it would be nice to have creepers and endermen go by by and more pigs and cows

[Song Druid 1486]

Basically, when I was online (of course this was about 3ish hours ago) there were agressive mobs everywhere that lingered into the day. There are several areas where they are able to roam in daytime because of forestation and so we see dozens of spiders, and skeletons/zombies coming out of the woodwork to attack and kill. Creepers linger into the daytime and are an incredible nuisance! You can't hear them and they can cause issues as far as destroying crops/killing you and make it that harder to get a strong footing in RP. I think everybody's trying to basically take hold and get a grip so they can start good RP, blending SMP and RP together. For instance-you remember you handled a modreq for me? During that modreq while reading what you typed I was overrun by mobs and killed. It was more of an inconvenience because it's less RP and more traveling around or having to start all over with things. Anyways, thanks for your consideration and dedication, it is much appreciated ^.^

[Wizard 125]

You should look at it this way. We got hacked and Asulon wiped. Now, the staff has provided a place, a quite good-looking place at that, for us to spend some time rp'ing. If you really can't make up a character to use for a week and it crushes you that you can't rp your main, then don't play on the temp server and especially don't take it out on the staff.

[Lock 'eed Ironheart 120]

I posted elsewhere my disdain about the handling of all this.

As right now I wont play on a pre auslon map, it's kind of hard to as my main toon "only" was living on another server at the time. I'm like that, fickle about being true to one toon and seeing them through. If I make a temp toon I feel like I'm cheating on my toon lol. Don't take this as me trashing on you it's far from it. I'm saying I'm going to wait for pre 3.0 stuff. I have tons of patients and can wait, don't rush it.

BUT <--- let me say good job guys and don't let all these hate posts detour you and the hard work you do. Especially Alec, from what bread crumbs I've picked up is the server was deleted by a vengeful op'd person or a hacker I don't know. They deleted everything and Alec managed to compile old data from nothing. As for the gm's and admin pulling together and getting some form of entertainment for the public up with good standards and rules once again good work.

You guys get a ++ for getting this together, Alec should get a well deserved break and thank you for pulling through when there was nothing. Everyone that thinks this is dumb stop it's just something to do till 3.0. Go enjoy it and have fun, pull that giant lore stick out :shock: and walk around some.

[Valentino MC: Mau5noize 1094]

eee sorry to hear about that arik; mobs linger on the volcano because the biome is set up as a hell biome; so we get a couple ghost, few blazes, and tons of pigzombies. But they arent supposed to be hostile in daytime.. Since it is a small map, mobs spawn like crazy; and lightning storms are insane as it seams to have condensed everything to the small amount of land. I'll see if tomorrow we can limit some of these issues.

[Princeton 396]

I like it, but I am anxious for 3.0 :wink:

[Old-Rattlesnake 1534]

Personally, after having a rough start due to no food and mobs, I'm really enjoying myself. I think I will be genuinely sad when the temporary server comes down, if only for my new character only existing in that timeline.