Orc Rp Reforms

[Merkaken 516]

I know. I wasn't suggesting it. I even said in my post I wasn't suggesting removing it. I was saying we should think of a way to help new players easily translate and learn the Blah, mainly for new Orcs. 

[Blundermore 2741]

We are not changing the blah, end of line on that one.

You know, not being open to suggestions and generally being as stubborn as a mule is part of the reason why the Orcs need this page right now, and will continue to need it so long as the attitude of being stubborn towards any sort of change continues...

[The Cleaning Crew 571]

You know, not being open to suggestions and generally being as stubborn as a mule is part of the reason why the Orcs need this page right now, and will continue to need it so long as the attitude of being stubborn towards any sort of change continues...

Far as I know, the Blah is the only thing that's been declared off-limits in this thread. It should be. It's been an integral part of orc RP since near the beginning. 

[Merkaken 516]

Again, i'm not saying change it or take it away or anything like that. We don't need to discuss any changes to it or removal or arguments of the such. I simply think we should brainstorm ways to help new players understand it. Even I don't know every single word.

[Blundermore 2741]

Far as I know, the Blah is the only thing that's been declared off-limits in this thread. It should be. It's been an integral part of orc RP since near the beginning. 

 

Integral? Maybe, detrimental to the entire race from limiting general RP with others and driving away new players from the, NON existent learning curve, no, not even a curve, A WALL? Absolutely. 

 

Butchering the English language is fine, so long as people can still understand it generally for the purpose of RP. Butchering it to the point that no one can even understand it OOC'ly just makes it un-enjoyable to the extreme. That's when it needs to change for the benefit of both parties. Yes it is cool how you can mash the keyboard sometimes and come out with something that could somewhat be considered "May I take your coat" in Orcish, but how is it fair to anyone that you are making it so difficult that they can hardly even read what you're saying. 

The only thing that's making the speech patterns of orcs difficult to understand is the Tusks, last time I checked, if you stuck a spoon in your mouth, you didn't take Alienieese on as your primary language when speaking, people could still barely understand you. 

 

But hey, it isn't really mostly for my benefit, go ahead and continue doing it and making it impossible for people to have a good RP experience with your character's when they can't even understand half the text you're putting on screen -IN A TEXT BASED GAME- and making it near to impossible for new orcs to emerge properly because of that 90 Degree learning curve. 

 

Also, when was it that one or two average players dictated the whims of an entire race when it comes to changing things? Doesn't quite happen with the Humans, Elves or Dwarves, and I don't suspect that it happens with the Orcs either. So really, it is entirely up for debate and can't just be put down as a "no go".  

[The Cleaning Crew 571]

Integral? Maybe, detrimental to the entire race from limiting general RP with others and driving away new players from the, NON existent learning curve, no, not even a curve, A WALL? Absolutely. 

 

Butchering the English language is fine, so long as people can still understand it generally for the purpose of RP. Butchering it to the point that no one can even understand it OOC'ly just makes it un-enjoyable to the extreme. That's when it needs to change for the benefit of both parties. Yes it is cool how you can mash the keyboard sometimes and come out with something that could somewhat be considered "May I take your coat" in Orcish, but how is it fair to anyone that you are making it so difficult that they can hardly even read what you're saying. 

The only thing that's making the speech patterns of orcs difficult to understand is the Tusks, last time I checked, if you stuck a spoon in your mouth, you didn't take Alienieese on as your primary language when speaking, people could still barely understand you. 

 

But hey, it isn't really mostly for my benefit, go ahead and continue doing it and making it impossible for people to have a good RP experience with your character's when they can't even understand half the text you're putting on screen -IN A TEXT BASED GAME- and making it near to impossible for new orcs to emerge properly because of that 90 Degree learning curve. 

 

Also, when was it that one or two average players dictated the whims of an entire race when it comes to changing things? Doesn't quite happen with the Humans, Elves or Dwarves, and I don't suspect that it happens with the Orcs either. So really, it is entirely up for debate and can't just be put down as a "no go".  

Yes. Integral. And this "learning wall" you're talking about is not that hard to climb. I was here before the Blah went into effect, but it only took me about half an hour to become fluent in it once it did. It's not difficult at all. When people look at it, though, they seem to say "I ain't even gonna try, bro" and start complaining about it. You just have to look at the dictionary a couple times and you'll be fine.

[DrakeHaze. 2524]

When I used to play an Orc I found very few problems within the Orcs. Mainly the amount of players we had hindered RP within our own city so I always went to Oren to RP. I had very enjoyable RP with the Orc blacksmiths. I knew little to nothing about shamans and shamanism IC as literally none were present while I played (Maybe like 2). I never had any problems with every race trying to kill me if I left our land, even during the war with the dwarves, 1 or 2 dwarves picked a fight but usually it was just a RP scrap then we went on our way. Within our city really the only good RP was story time. It's either fight in the city, build, cut trees or drink and run the gauntlet a few times. Hunting events were always fun, especially when we had to capture the jabbernaks or whatever xD

The way I see it is RPing another race is just more enjoyable straight up. There are more things to do where allot of people reside (Cities) and everyone is doing their OWN thing. Take Oren for example, you got some knights running around doing knightly things, you got nobles killing peasants, making money and what not... then you got the random people trying to pull off assassinations or steal things or even just mug someone... taverns and brothels for a completely different RP. I think the Orcs just have little to no diversity with Orcish RP and just not much to do with JUST Orcs. I'm sure it's changed over 4 months but I wouldn't know.

Another point I should make is that it's more appealing to play a beautiful elf or a handsome human or a pudgy dwarf than it is to play an aggresive Orc. Oh and Game of Thrones. Just make a Orc version of it and everything will be fine xD

[Blundermore 2741]

Yes. Integral. And this "learning wall" you're talking about is not that hard to climb. I was here before the Blah went into effect, but it only took me about half an hour to become fluent in it once it did. It's not difficult at all. When people look at it, though, they seem to say "I ain't even gonna try, bro" and start complaining about it. You just have to look at the dictionary a couple times and you'll be fine.

Not everyone is you though... others may just find it difficult anyways naturally because it is common to be like that. That and I do believe people tried to look at your "dictionaries" only then to be called out for meta/powergaming -BY- these same orcs. 

[The Cleaning Crew 571]

Not everyone is you though... others may just find it difficult anyways naturally because it is common to be like that. That and I do believe people tried to look at your "dictionaries" only then to be called out for meta/powergaming -BY- these same orcs. 

Well I don't know who called them out for metagaming, but I can see why they would. And it could be considered that. But it's one of those things that could probably be overlooked most of the time since it creates barriers between the races. That and the fact that most of the words are actually in the common tongue, just pronounced oddly. 

[Blundermore 2741]

Well I don't know who called them out for metagaming, but I can see why they would. And it could be considered that. But it's one of those things that could probably be overlooked most of the time since it creates barriers between the races. That and the fact that most of the words are actually in the common tongue, just pronounced oddly. 

That's the point though, a lot of the words are JUST pronounced oddly, so why is it then that whenever these words are said they seem to be extremely over the top in when pronounced. 

[DrakeHaze. 2524]

Integral? Maybe, detrimental to the entire race from limiting general RP with others and driving away new players from the, NON existent learning curve, no, not even a curve, A WALL? Absolutely. 

 

Butchering the English language is fine, so long as people can still understand it generally for the purpose of RP. Butchering it to the point that no one can even understand it OOC'ly just makes it un-enjoyable to the extreme. That's when it needs to change for the benefit of both parties. Yes it is cool how you can mash the keyboard sometimes and come out with something that could somewhat be considered "May I take your coat" in Orcish, but how is it fair to anyone that you are making it so difficult that they can hardly even read what you're saying. 

The only thing that's making the speech patterns of orcs difficult to understand is the Tusks, last time I checked, if you stuck a spoon in your mouth, you didn't take Alienieese on as your primary language when speaking, people could still barely understand you. 

 

But hey, it isn't really mostly for my benefit, go ahead and continue doing it and making it impossible for people to have a good RP experience with your character's when they can't even understand half the text you're putting on screen -IN A TEXT BASED GAME- and making it near to impossible for new orcs to emerge properly because of that 90 Degree learning curve. 

 

Also, when was it that one or two average players dictated the whims of an entire race when it comes to changing things? Doesn't quite happen with the Humans, Elves or Dwarves, and I don't suspect that it happens with the Orcs either. So really, it is entirely up for debate and can't just be put down as a "no go".  

When I spoke the blah it was literally just plain english with a lisp and two or three actual words from the blah such as "Lats" and "Klomp". Nobody had a hard time understanding me. I stuck a spoon in my mouth and I didn't sound like an Alien either but Orcs are a different race not green humans, how are we actually supposed to know the biology of an Orc? Sure we have some small details about what the Orc looks like, and we have movies everyone watches and say an Orc looks like something from LoTR but I haven't seen a full skeletal representation of a LoTC Orc. Also, if you're born into a different language... let us say Spanish. Eventually you decide it's time to learn english, you're not going to speak it completely the same as someone who was born into the language are you?

Then we get into the "Well the server can't understand you so just make yourself understandable"... sure they can do that. However do you actually think that if Orcs spoke common or english or whatever that it would draw allot more players into joining the Orcs? I don't think so because I think it would be the same. Not enough things to do but HEY now we can speak the same language so we can understand eachother and...ya.

[The Cleaning Crew 571]

That's the point though, a lot of the words are JUST pronounced oddly, so why is it then that whenever these words are said they seem to be extremely over the top in when pronounced. 

Because it's the way we've learned to do it. It just happened. But this is a thread for suggestions, not debates. You could probably start a Blah debate in the debates section of the forums if you like. It might do some good.

[VonAulus 2082]

Blundermore, the blah is the one thing that signifies the orcs from the other races. We do not go up to the Mali'Aheral and tell them they can not use words from the elven language that they created. It is a biological thing in such as our tusks get in the way when we speak so we type in bastardized English. If you do not want to roleplay with us since you can not understand us, then fine, but I think that is more interesting then magic. Two different languages and cultures colliding, trying to work things out, is very interesting.

 

Also, 1 or 2 average players...

Gooms: has been a Goblin since before most of us joined the server, he is the head tinkerer.

Myself: Grool, I was a Wargoth, Nob, High Yazgurten, and an elder of the Gorkil clan. We are not just too average players.

[craotor 617]

Blah is part of being an ork just like being green and agresive also are.

[craotor 617]

Blah is part of being an ork just like being green and agresive also are.