[Feedback] Needlessly Killing And Using "banditry" As An Excuse

[Samson Option 9652]

VAs were removed because they didn't work, "bad villians" still got VAs. They didn't sort the good villains from the bad, they just ate up time and effort.

 

 

I've looked into all this quite extensively, and the fact of the matter is that the true bandit players do not kill you unless you fight back, refuse to comply or are aggressive or superior in your conduct. If you comply with the bandits that actually play bandits and don't give them sass or attitude not only will they not kill you, they'll also probably take less.

The people who just kill you aren't bandit RPers. Quite often, they're soldiers on undeveloped alts or aliases. Mediocre marauders, I've heard them called. Most of your orcish raiders and your dedicated bandit RPers are not out to kill you and loot your dropped head. The people that are are just alts that geniunely don't care about rage or forum posts. The only people getting the brunt of your rage, the only people getting generalised and judged before you've even RPed with them, are the people who already make an effort not to provoke it in the first place.

Of course, the people playing bandits properly area doing exactly as you say they should. They're not "only in it for the items," they're playing brigands because they enjoy playing brigands. They don't want to make you rage because having to deal with L-OOC saps the fun out of literally anything at all. L-OOC arguments are almost as bad as dying for killing RP, because they take away the OOC will to RP. I urge anyone who reaches for the double brackets in anger to think twice.

 

The people on the receiving end of all this vitriol are not the people causing it.

 

Too much truth for one man to handle.

 

Let us remember to also separate IC and OOC as much as that may be difficult for some folks, you shouldn't acknowledge the issue of the Temple Monks and wave good-bye nonchalantly and walk into scenarios to get oneself killed.

 

Can I be honest? I've been around in most if not all player-bases or at least been chill enough to hear folks talk as if they are normally with their buds on the server. There are a few folks that love to provoke these sorts of threads and laugh at them, but you won't get anywhere making forum threads. It has been tried, it has failed. Keep rinse and repeating as if you are getting Alchemist's gold, it just doesn't work this way. It is better to just cordially talk to the folks and try to broker a cut deal. Or I'll offer you another idea that I think might work. Become the bandit, set an example, or atleast scare the arses away from wanting to be a bandit ;)

[Jachnun 566]

The whole point of banditing is to just hand your stuff over and people wont kill you. Easy as that, no need to complain. 

 

Edit: I don't bandit that often, but I have experienced bandit rp and I believe thats the jist of it really. 

[MamaBearJade 2090]

I love how everyone acts like its my fault in this.

First off

@James~ It gets real annoying having to REWRITE a book multiple times. It used to be that was the one item i could get back. I honestly care little about items, but books, i do.

@TNT~ Problem is, I never get asked to hand my stuff over. THey just grab and kill. There is no proper banditry either

@lago & Giaus~ I have /yet/ to see a bandit character let someone walk away. Never have I tried to fight back. I get more enjoyable rp from serial killers than I do from bandits. 90% of the time, they pick up my /child/ character, take her somewhere, then kill her. There is no rp other than the small kidnapping. It becomes so unenjoyable, I have to tell them to not rp with me anymore. why? Because its unenjoyable. USUALLY, and you can ask those I have RP'd with in the past, I have NO problems with getting killed. I dealt with flays, rose, blood eagles, and strelts grabbing and killing me, but one thing they provided, ROLEPLAY.

The /needless/ killing needs to stop. All it does is cause a major inconvinience for those of us who are tired of losing necessary items in RP. Would you REALLY kill a 12 year old for her books?

Would you really kill a 79 year old man for his pastry?

Its unnecessary killing that really irks me. It makes villains look in my opinion stupid.

[Jachnun 566]

@Jade 

 

Am I blaming you? You made this thread no one is accusing you of anything, we are just explaining that not all bandit rp can be that terrible, do not victimize your self because there is no point and it will not get us to the solution you want. 

[MamaBearJade 2090]

@TNT- I seriously /know/ not all bandit RP is terrible. But its the stupid need everyone has to kill each other. Like i explained. Would you seriously kill at 12 year old, just for a book?

I seriously carry as LITTLE as possible in my inventory because people find it "fun" to kill a CHILD over nothing. It gets to the point I have to speak up. It usually involves these "bandits" that are alts of people who like to just stir up bad roleplay. They provide little to no fun and are just item hungry.

And me saying "stop blaming me" is because 9/10 times I get into situations, I am told "well if you didnt wander around" as if I asked to be attacked. I get attacked in cities, by my own house, and walking from the SS pillar to town. People CAMP ss pillars now in the fringe. It gets irritating to be told "stop putting yourself into those situations". Not victimizing myself, but dangit, i hate being told that its my fault.

[Jachnun 566]

@TNT- I seriously /know/ not all bandit RP is terrible. But its the stupid need everyone has to kill each other. Like i explained. Would you seriously kill at 12 year old, just for a book?

I seriously carry as LITTLE as possible in my inventory because people find it "fun" to kill a CHILD over nothing. It gets to the point I have to speak up. It usually involves these "bandits" that are alts of people who like to just stir up bad roleplay. They provide little to no fun and are just item hungry.

And me saying "stop blaming me" is because 9/10 times I get into situations, I am told "well if you didnt wander around" as if I asked to be attacked. I get attacked in cities, by my own house, and walking from the SS pillar to town. People CAMP ss pillars now in the fringe. It gets irritating to be told "stop putting yourself into those situations". Not victimizing myself, but dangit, i hate being told that its my fault.

Look, a character may behave in the way that you are describing in which people may kill any person for which ever objects he feels in necessary to, even a book. I know it's terrible but maybe some one's char behaves that way, and thats just rp tbh.

[MamaBearJade 2090]

TNT, you are always pitted against anything I say. There is no point in trying to explain to you why its fristrating and honestly quite pointless as to why there should be this constant killing of HARMLESS characters.

Let me put it into a way maybe you will get.

Back when VAs were around, you had to have GOOD reasoning and MORALS for killing.

You couldnt kill a child if your va said otherwise.

You were REQUIRED to provide fun roleplay. Not suggested, REQUIRED.

There is no point in killing someone when, in fearing for their lives, WOULD WILLINGLY hand over their stuff.

Just cause you "think" its all RP, its not. Its all "The so called bandit gets the fun, screw everyone else"

I am allowed to voice my opinion on how crappy villain rp has become and how lacking in roleplay it is now.

I dont enjoy villain RP anymore. I dont enjoy being given a max of 10 emotes before I am killed.

I want to see more EFFORT from people if they are going to kill me. Give me a chance to RP.

Here is an example of 2 different RPs I had with the same person.

Senario 1: He grabs my char, acts like they are going to be friends. He then drowns her in the river because she is a scourge born.

Okay ish rp, something enjoyable cause he actually rp'd more even after she was "dead"

Senario 2: He shows up on a "bandit" character, knocks her out, throws her down a mine shaft, slits her throat.

Unenjoyable, very lacking in rp. Not ONCE asking for items. No, he instead finds little reason to do anything more than "oh its a child, easy killing, no point in giving rp for the items"

[Quavinir_Twiceborn 1050]

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Oh lovely. Argueing and blaming.

Calm down guys, this is Jade giving HER feedback on a topic moreso for the bad bandit's Roleplay than for the good spiffing proper bandit's roleplay.

On a more on topic note - I dont really see this as an issue. I've been killed by bad bandits everywhere (Anthos, Asulon, temp lands.) and I dont think there is anything we can do to get rid of them OOCly.

Maybe get a guardforce together, and try and clear out the bandits from whatever coven the bandits have been sticking around by. The best weapon against bad roleplaying is good roleplaying.

[Jachnun 566]

TNT, you are always pitted against anything I say. There is no point in trying to explain to you why its fristrating and honestly quite pointless as to why there should be this constant killing of HARMLESS characters.

Let me put it into a way maybe you will get.

Back when VAs were around, you had to have GOOD reasoning and MORALS for killing.

You couldnt kill a child if your va said otherwise.

You were REQUIRED to provide fun roleplay. Not suggested, REQUIRED.

There is no point in killing someone when, in fearing for their lives, WOULD WILLINGLY hand over their stuff.

Just cause you "think" its all RP, its not. Its all "The so called bandit gets the fun, screw everyone else"

I am allowed to voice my opinion on how crappy villain rp has become and how lacking in roleplay it is now.

I dont enjoy villain RP anymore. I dont enjoy being given a max of 10 emotes before I am killed.

I want to see more EFFORT from people if they are going to kill me. Give me a chance to RP.

Here is an example of 2 different RPs I had with the same person.

Senario 1: He grabs my char, acts like they are going to be friends. He then drowns her in the river because she is a scourge born.

Okay ish rp, something enjoyable cause he actually rp'd more even after she was "dead"

Senario 2: He shows up on a "bandit" character, knocks her out, throws her down a mine shaft, slits her throat.

Unenjoyable, very lacking in rp. Not ONCE asking for items. No, he instead finds little reason to do anything more than "oh its a child, easy killing, no point in giving rp for the items"

Okay first off, just because we have different opinions on the matter, and that I am not for bringing back VAs doesn't mean im always pitted against you, because I am not. 

 

VAs didn't balance the fun guaranteed for rp'ers varying from the bandits to people like you, it just didn't balance well and it just became unnecessary.  

[E__V__O 2000]

Now, before yet another post is shut down due to the blunt flame going on I will list my reasoning's.

 

Needless killing, it is out there, it happens. You cannot do anything about it. If they provide good role play than that is a +1, if they do not and a clear intention is to just PvP you for items, than you can Player Report them can you not? Well yes and no. The rules state that if they do a mere sense of RP and than engage the fight with saying "readies blade" ((Countdown, 5,4,3,2,1)), than it seems reasonable. Now you could however if they do it more than on a one occasion, player report them for preforming "Depriving players from fun".

 

Though it brings questions, VA's should not be brought back, as it would just create who can write the best application. Now now, that seems fair? No. VA's were needly a tire to get, though I would support a moderation of villains. Though if a player just tries to do a bandit RP or uses that excuse so be it. Not everyone has the same-mind-set they might see it fun RP as you do not and vise-versa. Players do not like Rp much, Players do not like PvP that much, players do not care for pixels as much, players do. It is a switch side to side theme here.

 

With excuses it goes on the same lines as above, if they use it, they can - if they constantly do it and deprive you of fun and spoken to them about it but they do not listen, player report them? No need to create a thread like this.

 

Anyway that is what I think.

[Helvetius 314]

Unfortunately I agree with Jade at one part. Pvp with little roleplay. In OOC I have started to hear people in Oren and on the roads stating that they are just on for the PvP and don't care for the RP. For me it is getting annoying so I'm going to screenshot it from now on. As for the Bandit RP, some of the people who are said above are in bandit RP but then there are others who get tired of dealing with victums who just run off.

 

That being said however, I also RPed as a bandit a few weeks ago and I didn't receive a lot of *runs*. Most people were quite willing to RP fight because we didn't kill them up front with Minas or Die. It is just a matter of how you present your bandit RP because everyone who we kidnapped, used our bandit rp on, ect... enjoyed it.

[Cyndikate 2303]

There really needs to be a balance between pvp and rp

Fun Fact: I was robbed once. Gave him all my food, and now oddly enough I'm in a relationship with him.

[MamaBearJade 2090]

*sighs*

since the point isnt getting across...let me make it clear.

I dont care if you want to kill me or PVP me.

But please, please, please, at least make the rp enjoyable for me too.

Is that really so much to ask of people?

[Cyndikate 2303]

*sighs*

since the point isnt getting across...let me make it clear.

I dont care if you want to kill me or PVP me.

But please, please, please, at least make the rp enjoyable for me too.

Is that really so much to ask of people?

Here's what works for me:

 

Just avoid the bad villains in the future. Did a player wrong you? Remember his name and avoid him in the future, don't even bother RPing with him.

[Helvetius 314]

By the way if you don't want conflict RP right now, my tavern is the best place. We haven't had a single PvP fight entering the tavern & roleplayers can continue roleplaying even when pvp battles are happening outside the tavern ;).