[Feedback] Needlessly Killing And Using "banditry" As An Excuse

[Kemp 71]

Is dying on a Minecraft server really that big of a deal...?

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Raiders don't kill me when I just quietly hand over my **** to them, but in this server, everyone must be a hero.

[zaezae 1098]

I thought we weren't supposed to make unfair generalizations. This is getting a little ridiculous. 

[Merkaken 516]

fight back its really not that hard

This post was made because we tried fighting back and this still happens.

[zaezae 1098]

I mean, if you fight though, someone has to lose...doesn't feel like the right way to deal with it unless you /can/.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Again, just give the bandits your **** if you feel you cannot win. If you think you CAN win, then fight. It's all about judging your chances.

 

Either way, just go with the flow.

[Jistuma 1996]

Again, just give the bandits your **** if you feel you cannot win. If you think you CAN win, then fight. It's all about judging your chances.

 

Either way, just go with the flow.

Leo... have you read the original post?

 

I mean, what the complain is, is that they do give everything they have and still get killed, or the attackers don't even bother asking and just kill, or the attackers just randomly kill someone for no reason with minimal rp... Also you should know very well if raiders or bandits or any other type of attackers take everything from you they still kill you, you were there in the screenshots that got Demotheus banned because he logged out because he gave them everything and they still wanted to kill him.

 

[Edit] But Lago below made a good point, it might not be bandits. I changed bandit in this post to attackers.

[Lago 2572]

I've looked into all this quite extensively, and the fact of the matter is that the true bandit players do not kill you unless you fight back, refuse to comply or are aggressive or superior in your conduct. If you comply with the bandits that actually play bandits and don't give them sass or attitude not only will they not kill you, they'll also probably take less.

The people who just kill you aren't bandit RPers. Quite often, they're soldiers on undeveloped alts or aliases. Mediocre marauders, I've heard them called. Most of your orcish raiders and your dedicated bandit RPers are not out to kill you and loot your dropped head. The people that are are just alts that geniunely don't care about rage or forum posts. The only people getting the brunt of your rage, the only people getting generalised and judged before you've even RPed with them, are the people who already make an effort not to provoke it in the first place.

 

The people on the receiving end of all this vitriol are not the people causing it.

 

[Jistuma 1996]

Now a screenshot of what players don't like happening. Just the first line, he was going to give them stuff because he was being mugged, and then they are going to kill him, reason? They are orcs.

 

 

Problem once more is not banditry, but bad roleplay to gain items, or just to kill for not much reason. Does this happen at all? I have never seen it happen, nor happen to me, but it does happen I guess.

[Major Dom 1297]

If you're fine with losing pixels, then why bother pvping? If it is one on one, there is no real reason to pvp at all, other than taking the other persons items. If we are talking wars or skirmishes, I understand that. There's a line when having so many people would just clog up chat and would just confuse everyone. But one on one or a small group of people? No. And if the reason is "because it's faster and does t take forever" whelp, that's rp. If you can't handle roleplaying on a roleplay server, then perhaps it would be wiser to seek a pvp server

I will say, your view of banditry with the whole tax collector thing is pretty cool and very unique. But still, one of one pvp is just silly. Yes, at times victims can be a bit rude to the pvpers. But it's because we would rather roleplay on our roleplay server, and get tired of dealing with people who don't give a rats ass about providing fun roleplay. If both parties find pvp to be fun, then go ahead. I don't understand it at all, but I won't judge if they are both enjoying it. But people tend to forget the real reason people should play villains is to create fun rp for EVERYONE. Not just themselves.

So no. It's not just the victim. It is majorly the pvp defaulted who doesn't care if the other person wishes to rp it out and gives a bare minimum of a few lines of text. I want villainy to improve, but not if the people who are getting screwed over just take it because Johnny bandit wants the victims staff. Pvpers are the ones that need to change their attitudes "bud"

 

ok so the real problem that you have is you cant win in pvp fights

 

practice mate

 

anyway this thread is about bandits and the like killing people in general for no good reason, not pvp default, so lets stay on track

 

Now a screenshot of what players don't like happening. Just the first line, he was going to give them stuff because he was being mugged, and then they are going to kill him, reason? They are orcs.

 

 

Problem once more is not banditry, but bad roleplay to gain items, or just to kill for not much reason. Does this happen at all? I have never seen it happen, nor happen to me, but it does happen I guess.

 

just noting that i have nearly 20 stacks of iron blocks and more armor and weapons than i could possibly use in one map and the same goes for most bandits on a smaller scale

 

we dont bandit because we want items, were fine with nodrop, we do it because its the rp we enjoy

[Jistuma 1996]

just noting that i have nearly 20 stacks of iron blocks and more armor and weapons than i could possibly use in one map and the same goes for most bandits on a smaller scale

 

we dont bandit because we want items, were fine with nodrop, we do it because its the rp we enjoy

I do agree that perhaps we should stop talking about 'bandits' and perhaps talk about 'attackers' or 'killers'. Killers should be better since that is the problem at hand. Bandits that play a bandit to roleplay are pretty good, I was a bandit once, and I never had any problems when banditing from players. and yes I killed, sold to slavery, robbed, broke stuff and a few other things. Never got a complain really, but a GM got mad at another GM because I robbed his house =P. This was because I could care less about items and losing, so I just concentrated on roleplay. In the end I was even in a bandit group, where we planned and did heists and everyone on the group was the same way as me, they cared a lot more about the roleplay than the items, and it worked fantastically. Many of those I played with are still on the server playing, so I know there are many bandits that play to roleplay banditry and not to randomly kill.

On the other hand, do you believe the killers doing the needless killing is something we should concentrate on stopping?

[Cjmate 1270]

Well, just to make a clarification, people have been killing people for no reason for a long time. I do not think saying that bandits will leave you alone if you comply is fair. The Flays, for example, were notorious for killing people for no reason. In the early days of the strelts, we were oocly encouraged to kill people after robbing them because of the 30minute memory loss if our identity was found out. In the beginning, we were encouraged to be disguised and pretend to be dumb peasants, but people metagaming our ties to Carrion led to just flat out killing.

[Rhia 936]

Moved to the Great Library. It shall be sorted into appropriate category shortly.