OOC: Orc Feedback

[Potts244 412]

As for the culture part, bring back snagas mate. They were a big part of orc culture and business. Add things to do rather than ban things that people enjoyed rping.

[AlmondTree 418]

This isn't a general statement for the whole player base of all orcs but there is a lacking sense of developing RP, rule comprehension, and emphasis on advantages as their race.

With the new fluctuation of orcs, the most recent interaction I had was an uruk that asked if I was willing to buy a book from him and then went immediately to investigating my character for items. This then continued in a lack of understanding the rules by the player attempting to take the said item (a blade in this case) without a roll or emote in trying to steal the blade. I then had to remind the player of this.

Two people then walked upon the situation that were trying to harm me rather than the uruk. . . but he suddenly started claiming that I was MGing without realizing the situation. He then lingered around and the two said players started RP combat with the uruk that resulted in a 5 min. debate in OOC and finally a GM counting down PvP. 

This is not a criticism of all orcs. I simply want new orc players to become more informed of their culture, RP characteristics, and develop RP for intentions of furthering their character. The most active orcs however seem to be knowledgeable on the server and create stimulating RP. A simple rundown of the rules regarding RP situations and combat would also be helpful for the players so arguments could be avoided. Lastly, I believe orc players need to understand the distinctions between communities. If an orc stumbles into Oren and ends up assaulting a player, they need to understand that they will most likely be ganged up upon because of the united player base, not for OOC hate. It is almost like a human sneaking into Haelun'or. . . you will most likely be imprisoned.

Sounds much like one of the separate cases I spoke of further up. But please if these things do happen, why not contact someone that is fairly settled into the orc community and talk with them about it. Putting it out like this does just make us seem shallow even if that is not ones intention to do such. Would be super appreciated if anyone getting into a situation like this to not shrug it off but inform us about it rather.

[AlmondTree 418]

As for the culture part, bring back snagas mate. They were a big part of orc culture and business. Add things to do rather than ban things that people enjoyed rping.

Nah, it is a step in the direction to have orcs trying to do things not always associated to violence. It also gives orcs a bad image when people see orcs slaving all the time, makes them think we can't do anything else than enslave. Denied.

[Man of Respect 5471]

As for the culture part, bring back snagas mate. They were a big part of orc culture and business. Add things to do rather than ban things that people enjoyed rping.

Slave roleplay used to create bad roleplay for teh other party, thus the reason why it was removed.

[_mkkk_ 194]

This isn't a general statement for the whole player base of all orcs but there is a lacking sense of developing RP, rule comprehension, and emphasis on advantages as their race.

With the new fluctuation of orcs, the most recent interaction I had was an uruk that asked if I was willing to buy a book from him and then went immediately to investigating my character for items. This then continued in a lack of understanding the rules by the player attempting to take the said item (a blade in this case) without a roll or emote in trying to steal the blade. I then had to remind the player of this.

Two people then walked upon the situation that were trying to harm me rather than the uruk. . . but he suddenly started claiming that I was MGing without realizing the situation. He then lingered around and the two said players started RP combat with the uruk that resulted in a 5 min. debate in OOC and finally a GM counting down PvP. 

This is not a criticism of all orcs. I simply want new orc players to become more informed of their culture, RP characteristics, and develop RP for intentions of furthering their character. The most active orcs however seem to be knowledgeable on the server and create stimulating RP. A simple rundown of the rules regarding RP situations and combat would also be helpful for the players so arguments could be avoided. Lastly, I believe orc players need to understand the distinctions between communities. If an orc stumbles into Oren and ends up assaulting a player, they need to understand that they will most likely be ganged up upon because of the united player base, not for OOC hate. It is almost like a human sneaking into Haelun'or. . . you will most likely be imprisoned.

Sounds much like one of the separate cases I spoke of further up. But please if these things do happen, why not contact someone that is fairly settled into the orc community and talk with them about it. Putting it out like this does just make us seem shallow even if that is not ones intention to do such. Would be super appreciated if anyone getting into a situation like this to not shrug it off but inform us about it rather.

This doesn't make you seem shallow at all. . . a lot of the orc community is unified and well informed. I'm speaking for the straggling few and the future orcs to help them become more prepared for the server. The author of this thread asked for non orc constructive criticism and thoughts. . . this is just one of them based off an experience of mine. I have been enslaved before and immersed myself in the huts and brutish culture of the orcs which I was fond of. You guys have an eventful group, don't take my  words in ill manner. 

[Smaw 2376]

Introduce an applicaton process for a while to weed out troll newbies that completely misunderstand the culture.

[Bardmancer 942]

I find there's nothing to talk about in RP with other orcs, except Shamans. It's all, "Ug, klomp?" or some comment about FeUruks, and it dies out. We have nothing to discuss. We have no interesting events that don't include PvP. We can't communicate with other races, because they either don't understand us or think we're going to kill them. I think we need to be more involved with things that go on elsewhere in the server, preferably not wars.

Timezones and inactivity are also a pain. EU orcs have to log on super late at night to get any RP, and can't really just visit the other races and chat with them to halt the unending boredom or they'll be called whitewash.

[the 1 bow 1112]

I find there's nothing to talk about in RP with other orcs, except Shamans. It's all, "Ug, klomp?" or some comment about FeUruks, and it dies out. We have nothing to discuss. We have no interesting events that don't include PvP. We can't communicate with other races, because they either don't understand us or think we're going to kill them. I think we need to be more involved with things that go on elsewhere in the server, preferably not wars.

Timezones and inactivity are also a pain. EU orcs have to log on super late at night to get any RP, and can't really just visit the other races and chat with them to halt the unending boredom or they'll be called whitewash.

Whilst I do agree with the nothing to discuss part, which is a result of a lot of one-dimensional characters, PvP has taken a large step back in the Orc community. Most Orc's prefer RP to PvP these days. And also, I personally have been leading RP events recently but that is for a number of reasons, some of which will come across as froggy. Moreover Orc's are allowed to go to other cities and chat, doing so wont get them branded as whitewash. I dont know where you got that idea. You just cant go there and doing bandit stuff without consent.

[argonian 14254]

I think the problem is that people don't switch races. Most people generally stick within one race for long periods of time, even over multiple characters. Occasionally you get vets that switch to play Orcs, but a veteran switching races doesn't happen too often. The population of a race usually only increases when a new player joins that race. Orcs, I feel, are the least likely race to be chosen by a new player. Humans are the default for people interested in politics and wars or just being a normal guy, elves have a specific assassin/ranger/immortal niche, dwarves are a cool fantasy race for people who want something a little different but still like playing a scottish guy, whereas Orcs are big, scary, green skinned, and are all about fighting. Some new players like that, but new players who like to go around killing things usually get banned because they kill things incorrectly. I see a lot less new orc apps than apps for other races, and thats why orcish activity fails I feel.

I agree with the part I underlined but the Orcs were pretty big in Aegis and Asulon so idk about the rest. They were always either the smallest or second smallest race, but it wasn't until late Asulon that the gap between the Orcs and Humans got ridiculously big. I think at the moment it's almost impossible for the Orcs to get bigger because any new Orc that joins will be turned off by the lack of activity, but what I don't understand is how the Orcs got here in the first place. What happened to their playerbase?

[LaCabra (Soda) 1519]

Alrighty, after talking with a few other players, here's a list of common complaints about todays orcs.

- Lack of Respect: Orc society, at least in the lore, is based on that premise that stronger, better orcs (such as those who have earned their way to power, like warbosses, wargoths, targoths, etc). As far as I've noticed, that doesn't exist. Nobody cares if someone's a targoth, warboss, and to a little bit of an extent, wargoth. The rex is given respect, at least that's a start.

- Lack of Authority: To go with that last point, respect has to be earned. Nobody is going to respect someone they haven't seen do anything... A title is just a title, earn that title and show why you earned it. Who's in charge of organizing military training? We did one what, two weeks ago? Since then it's been dead. Who's in charge of organizing feasts and stuff? Where you at, lol?

- Need More Balls: It's a given that some orcs do not act like orcs... This should be punished (IC), we need to get everyone whipped into shape. That includes getting everyone better at PvP, hell we're the PvP race. Let's make that known, let's show some balls and practice enough that we can back it up.

- Krughai...? lol: In my months as an orc, I've never trained with the Krughai. I've only heard it mentioned three times in RP. It's nonexistent, we gotta change that.

- Events: This isn't entirely our fault - time is a precious thing to give up, especially spending it on a minecraft roleplay server. But we ought to try to get some sort of goal for the orcs going, maybe get in contact with ET? Work as a race to get some sort of orc antagonist going? Let's make something meaningful to our characters.

- Toxicity: This has been talked about a bit in the skype chat. Be dicks in RP all you want, we can't be dicks to each other OOC if we expect to keep a playerbase.

- Players: This is by far the hardest thing to solve - getting more players. As we fix up these past few points, players will come. There's no reason to come to a dead playerbase, whose majority of players only log on during warclaims. It's a problem we've got to fix.

 

Hopefully we can revive the orcish culture, but that's another monster of an issue to tackle itself.

[Sultan 3953]

I shall just drop a couple of things here. 

Shamanism is not the way to go. The Orcs have been to focused on Shamanism to provide rp that they have forgotten how normal orcs rp together. It is killing all other rp, Shamanism was never big in Aegis or Auslon we had three shamans max.

What happened to inner clan competitions? You know how much the Ugluks and Azogs brought to rp through their clans being  rivals? It was not even wars, they just mocked each other fought in arenas competed to be the best against each other. 

What happened to being proud of your scars? Or telling battle stories, how about hunting stories? 

You know how much stories we got from Mogroka leading the Orcs into wild goose chases into the wilds for nothing, we would stumble upon ruins and make it an adventure. 

I think the Orcs lost imagination also, Orc IQ has plummeted.. Orcs are very smart they are not dumb.

Even LUR piss ale brought tons of rp.  

Orcs should start talking to each other again, and make their conservation better

Edited October 13, 2015 by Sultan

[LaCabra (Soda) 1519]

Mogroka has spoken.

[JEEGK 1367]

Moved to the Archive. It shall be sorted into the appropriate category shortly.