Petition: Elven curse.

[Runabarn 1028]

This thread is pointless. There has never been an issue with the elven curse. Cease and desist.

[AlmondTree 418]

7 minutes ago, Sky said:

Citation, needed. 

Why do you need citations of this? A human female become unable to give birth when she age, do we need to do the talk Sky?

 

15 minutes ago, Aelsioln said:

It isn't the elves that are having children wrong, it's the humans. They're not having enough. Start making more human babies and let them die due to whatever if you can't find a player for them.

That humans have too few children which is a silly thing to say. Most families are 3-4 children, the issue with human childbirth is the amount of mothers there available.

 

 

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[Cloakedsphere 1471]

"Please its ruining my immersion"

As I said before, you need to stop adding some sort of restriction. Too many rules and loopholes on LotC. This server went from fun on an evening night to a chore and a drag to do anything. Stop restricting players.

[Sky 0]

Just now, Pess said:

Why do you need citations of this? A human female become unable to give birth when she age, do we need to do the talk Sky?

Considering humans age till 150, I doubt they'd be held to how reality works when our age goes to roughly 80/90 on average. We've been told many times how LotC is not real life, and we live in a different sort of reality, where aenguls and daemons live, etc. A human giving birth at 70, with 80 more years to live does not seem ridiculous and happens/had happened in game before without a single **** being given by the town/city they lived in. I asked for citation, on the proof this happens for LotC humans, not for real-life humans.

[AlmondTree 418]

3 minutes ago, Sky said:

Considering humans age till 150, I doubt they'd be held to how reality works when our age goes to roughly 80/90 on average. We've been told many times how LotC is not real life, and we live in a different sort of reality, where aenguls and daemons live, etc. A human giving birth at 70, with 80 more years to live does not seem ridiculous and happens/had happened in game before without a single **** being given by the town/city they lived in. I asked for citation, on the proof this happens for LotC humans, not for real-life humans.

So I was wrong, double the number and it is once more correct then. Fifty years of possible childbirth. Take away a few years due to having to find a husband after 18, then one year of bearing. It still is far less than what people seems to understand.

 

I would also ask that you focus on the topic so that we do not stray from it, if you wish to discuss the human curse you could make a thread about it.

 

[AlmondTree 418]

4 minutes ago, Jaeden said:

My 'Elfess' has had 3 children and one on the way. I've roleplayed her for the past 2+ years.
She's also had twins, and I didn't roll for it - I rolled the pregnancy initially, but I didn't roll for the actual twins, is what I'm saying. That decision was made, because I had promised the character to someone prior, and a new player also wished to join the Elven community, so I allowed twins for the sake of helping people.


What I'm getting at is - Who cares?
I've never had a complaint about it, so it's quite obvious it's not a real issue. And regardless of all that,
I've roleplayed her for the past 2+ years." I'll be entirely honest here. But you don't expect someone to RP a character that has been around for 2+ years and only have one child, right? People come and go on the server. If you restricted it to only one child, and that player who had that character goes on hiatus, what are you going to do?
'Oh! Just give the character to someone else' - You can't do that. It's not your character.
That happened to my Elfess' first and eldest child - hence why there's another!

Again, people and staff won't care about this 'petition'. Even if somehow it goes through, and the curse is changed, most people still wouldn't care. It's how it is.

A good example of why the curse needs a fix. If players refuse to stick to the lore then what is the point in having it remain the same.

[Equinox 245]

I'd rather we didn't have curses all together. The removal of them allow for us to do whatever; because we already do whatever we want most of the time.

[Eurielle 1189]

Thing is now that i'm thinking long and hard is that for ALL races the birth rate is lower than the death rate.

 

If it weren't for every ones ability to poof in a character to NPC parents or getting monk'd back to life their would be a mass extinction event.

 

Also the amount of played births in a race is pretty much an OOC logistic.

 

If X race plays Y rp more than Z race then X race will have more of A.

 

If elf player base plays children more than any other player base then they will always have more children and no curse rule can correct that. The only correction is to cause other races to play more children which is an OOC logistic and no OC logistic can change the OOC logistic.

[ski_king3 0]

I try to avoid giving personal opinion on something the staff could discuss enforcing, but I feel like this isn't too big of a deal, so here goes...

 

For one, if elves could only have one child, they would die out. Their existence now would make less sense than their having five children with teh current curse.

 

The curse, in my opinion, is more valuable for influencing RP than for limiting children. No, we don't want folks who have 8 children in 2 months, and the LT will slap folk for something like that, but to enforce the curse more strictly than we do is just fun policing all over the place, in my opinion. The curse is interesting for culture, despising half-breeds (or their parents, rather), pitying them, being averse to violence, things like that. If you don't see the impact of that, then you don't RP with elves very often.

 

In my experience, for everyone who RPs this curse fairly liberally (admittedly, like myself), there's someone who RPs it overly strictly.

 

For like 4 years, this has come up and every time it's been said that it's intentional that it is possible for the elves to have more children than humans. However, you need to live long enough and keep your children alive in a very dangerous world. Not the easiest thing, even without enforced PKs.

 

Also, none of the other curses except the orcish one are really RPed very consistently. Not required to age your human character, how often does greed RP even come up for dwarves, and folks generally go to the orcs for the violent RP.

 

And yes, I'm an LM and also someone who has fathered twins twice where at least 1/2 of the parties were elves, so I clearly have a bias. I just don't see it as a big deal.

[ski_king3 0]

3 minutes ago, cyber_king3 said:

And yes, I'm an LM and also someone who has fathered twins twice where at least 1/2 of the parties were elves, so I clearly have a bias. I just don't see it as a big deal.

 

3 minutes ago, Sythan said:

Elves having twins (And don't even get me started on triplets) makes me unhappy. That is all.

[AlmondTree 418]

9 minutes ago, cyber_king3 said:

I try to avoid giving personal opinion on something the staff could discuss enforcing, but I feel like this isn't too big of a deal, so here goes...

 

For one, if elves could only have one child, they would die out. Their existence now would make less sense than their having five children with teh current curse.

 

The curse, in my opinion, is more valuable for influencing RP than for limiting children. No, we don't want folks who have 8 children in 2 months, and the LT will slap folk for something like that, but to enforce the curse more strictly than we do is just fun policing all over the place, in my opinion. The curse is interesting for culture, despising half-breeds (or their parents, rather), pitying them, being averse to violence, things like that. If you don't see the impact of that, then you don't RP with elves very often.

 

In my experience, for everyone who RPs this curse fairly liberally (admittedly, like myself), there's someone who RPs it overly strictly.

 

For like 4 years, this has come up and every time it's been said that it's intentional that it is possible for the elves to have more children than humans. However, you need to live long enough and keep your children alive in a very dangerous world. Not the easiest thing, even without enforced PKs.

 

Also, none of the other curses except the orcish one are really RPed very consistently. Not required to age your human character, how often does greed RP even come up for dwarves, and folks generally go to the orcs for the violent RP.

 

And yes, I'm an LM and also someone who has fathered twins twice where at least 1/2 of the parties were elves, so I clearly have a bias. I just don't see it as a big deal.

Well it is obvious to me that the curse needs a change then so that it can apply correctly and bring RP. If it's just going to be ignored there is no point in it being there.

[Jistuma 1996]

The purpose of the curses is two fold.

 

1- Actual promotion of different roleplay (Elves protect children a lot more than humans, humans might want to reach goals faster, orcs are violent, and dwarves are greedy)

 

2- Separation of races.

 

I'll talk about the 2nd purpose of the curses in more detail. If the curses didn't exist, the 4 races would basically be unaging humans and unaging humans with pointy ears. You're saying I'm forgetting orcs and dwarves? Nope. Dwarves without the curse aren't short, the would be the same size as humans. Orcs wouldn't be green nor have tusks, and they would be tall and muscular but still have the pointy ears like elfs. The curses seperate the four races, I believe that to be the main point of them. Humans age, dwarves are short and fat, orcs are green beasts with tusks, and elves are eternaly young.

 

The main dwarven curse isn't that they are greedy, it's that they are short and sturdy.

The main orc curse isn't that they have blood rage, it's that they are green and have giant tusks on their mouths.

The main human curse is that they don't live long, resulting in people of all ages with multiple cultures and everchanging.

The main elven curse is infertility, resulting in elves being children until they are 50, anyone attacking a child be severely punished, the great reverence of family of the dark elves and the purity factors of the high elves.

[Eurielle 1189]

Just now, Pess said:

11 minutes ago, cyber_king3 said:

I try to avoid giving personal opinion on something the staff could discuss enforcing, but I feel like this isn't too big of a deal, so here goes...

 

For one, if elves could only have one child, they would die out. Their existence now would make less sense than their having five children with teh current curse.

 

The curse, in my opinion, is more valuable for influencing RP than for limiting children. No, we don't want folks who have 8 children in 2 months, and the LT will slap folk for something like that, but to enforce the curse more strictly than we do is just fun policing all over the place, in my opinion. The curse is interesting for culture, despising half-breeds (or their parents, rather), pitying them, being averse to violence, things like that. If you don't see the impact of that, then you don't RP with elves very often.

 

In my experience, for everyone who RPs this curse fairly liberally (admittedly, like myself), there's someone who RPs it overly strictly.

 

For like 4 years, this has come up and every time it's been said that it's intentional that it is possible for the elves to have more children than humans. However, you need to live long enough and keep your children alive in a very dangerous world. Not the easiest thing, even without enforced PKs.

 

Also, none of the other curses except the orcish one are really RPed very consistently. Not required to age your human character, how often does greed RP even come up for dwarves, and folks generally go to the orcs for the violent RP.

 

And yes, I'm an LM and also someone who has fathered twins twice where at least 1/2 of the parties were elves, so I clearly have a bias. I just don't see it as a big deal.

Well it is obvious to me that the curse needs a change then so that it can apply correctly and bring RP. If it's just going to be ignored there is no point in it being there.

 

12 minutes ago, cyber_king3 said:

The curse is interesting for culture, despising half-breeds (or their parents, rather), pitying them, being averse to violence, things like that.

The curse is about culture. All the curses are about culture. The curse effects the culture their for the curse is doing its job and the numbers are arbitrary.

[BonesOfTheEarth 2252]

13 minutes ago, Sythan said:

Elves having twins (And don't even get me started on triplets) makes me unhappy. That is all.

Just saying, the curse only affects how much they get pregnant, not their percent change of triplets when they DO get pregnant.

[Jistuma 1996]

2 minutes ago, Pess said:

Well it is obvious to me that the curse needs a change then so that it can apply correctly and bring RP. If it's just going to be ignored there is no point in it being there.

It is correctly rp'ed. The curse isn't just "You can't have a lot of kids" it's "The culture and laws of the elves will be based around the fact that elves can't have many children." And that is seen in all elven cultures and towns. So it is being rp'ed correctly.