Petition: Elven curse.

[Guest]

I'll concede fifty's too broad, I'd say 17 weeks actually, with the max of three possible children. Every successful child you add one, so for the second 18 and the third 19. 

[Song Druid 1486]

Just now, SquirtGun said:

Arent't you the child of an Elf/Human?

 

Don't you have sibling(s)?

 

Aren't you the Aunt to about 5? Half-Elf Children from just one RP brother?

 

You're destroying your own family, madness!

 

 

Rules that prevent a player from doing basic things, as basic as the ability to play a main race, are stupid. Creativity on this server is already limited by other lore, let alone OOC stimgas and hate, for anything outside the norm. If it makes the player happy and it isn't hurting anyone, it shouldn't be an issue. Change the curse if its that much of a big deal but don't restrict a player further. 

I just can't for the life of me comprehend why we are going to have the curse if we aren't going to really use it.  Because in all honesty it's a meaningless curse.  People want new elves they make new elves.  People want to have kids they will have kids.  It will happen and there isn't much of a way of enforcing it unless we have some weird Elven Octo-mom pop up.

 

I think we should change the curse or just remove all of them (see above for reasons why that wouldn't be a bad idea tbh)

[Sky 0]

All I get from this is that you believe all other curses are properly played, except the elven populace one, when I can assure you that the majority of the community indeed plays it correctly and only has a maximum of three to four kids in their lifetime (equivalent to having a child every 250 years, if they live till 1000) and the extras are players who make elven orphans, birthed from NPC parents. So your solution is to either put down restrictions to make it so that parents can only have one child, and somehow enforcing this? So, people will make elven characters who are adults and know nothing of the culture, because they'll be too scared to play a child of a family, in fear of the ban hammer. Why can't we just, go on with our lives? How is this negatively affecting anyone? When it comes to any of the curses, it seems to always be the elven one that's pointed to and demanded that it's adhered to, or changed appropriately. If anything, the curses as a whole should be reevaluated.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

The elven curse is fine as is because no one is really abusing it. We cannot stop people from making child characters and even if we did, what's the point? No point, if it aint broke don't fix it.

[Abyssus 487]

Just now, Song Druid said:

I think we should change the curse or just remove all of them (see above for reasons why that wouldn't be a bad idea tbh)

I have to agree with Song here, if the argument is "No matter what you do the players are not going to roleplay the curse properly anyway" then why don't we just remove all of them?

 

Zip, zilch, remove them all, if people don't properly follow them and never  will then why have it? It's pointless, let's just remove them if that is the case.

[AlmondTree 418]

2 minutes ago, aerialkebab said:

I'll concede fifty's too broad, I'd say 17 weeks actually, with the max of three possible children. Every successful child you add one, so for the second 18 and the third 19. 

Three is still much, that's the human core family setup.

[Gone 869]

30 minutes ago, Pess said:

The idea would be a family of a mother/father/child, one child or the curse loses it's very meaning. 

 

If two elves make only one child the race would literally die out. Only one child would grow up to replace those two parents in society, it'd take a long time thanks to their lifespans but eventually they would die out simply by being unable to reproduce enough. 

 

The curse is fine how it is now if you actually take a moment to think about it and this has been pointed out before. I've always been told minimum of 15 years between elven children. So an elf has a child. Fifteen years later they have another child. Whole two children right there, hot damn. Meanwhile in that same amount of time a human could have easily had 10 children. More if said human was a male! 

 

That's the curse right there. You'd think with hundreds upon hundreds of years to age that elves could have a ton of kids eventually but in reality nope. They go completely sterile at either 200 or 500 (I can never remember which one it is) plus culture encourages them to wait until they're at least 50 to do the do. 

So lets assume it's 200 they go sterile at, no more babies after that. Have to wait until 50 to even try making one so only 150 baby making years there. Then lets say someone sucks at rolling so it takes 25 years to make a baby (easier for me to do the math) which means that in 150 years an elf could have what, six babies? My god a whole six children. Gonna destroy the server right there. 

 

Now lets look a moment at the humans on the server. Human culture is highly based on medieval times. Well back in medieval times it wasn't uncommon for a woman to get pregnant again literally the moment she had healed from having the last one. Some medieval women could have 10+ children if they got lucky and didn't die from childbirth. Oh and of course then they had to worry about if the baby died thanks to some disease or wolf or whatever.

 

TL:DR? 

It isn't the elves that are having children wrong, it's the humans. They're not having enough. Start making more human babies and let them die due to whatever if you can't find a player for them.

[AlmondTree 418]

4 minutes ago, Sky said:

All I get from this is that you believe all other curses are properly played, except the elven populace one, when I can assure you that the majority of the community indeed plays it correctly and only has a maximum of three to four kids in their lifetime (equivalent to having a child every 250 years, if they live till 1000) and the extras are players who make elven orphans, birthed from NPC parents. So your solution is to either put down restrictions to make it so that parents can only have one child, and somehow enforcing this? So, people will make elven characters who are adults and know nothing of the culture, because they'll be too scared to play a child of a family, in fear of the ban hammer. Why can't we just, go on with our lives? How is this negatively affecting anyone? When it comes to any of the curses, it seems to always be the elven one that's pointed to and demanded that it's adhered to, or changed appropriately. If anything, the curses as a whole should be reevaluated.

Made this post to have the elven curse be relevant, something that players can interact with on a broader scale. I did this with new players in mind too. Many are not going to have wives and husbands. I am looking for a change as I have said.

[Bvie 1754]

Just now, Song Druid said:

I just can't for the life of me comprehend why we are going to have the curse if we aren't going to really use it.  Because in all honesty it's a meaningless curse.  People want new elves they make new elves.  People want to have kids they will have kids.  It will happen and there isn't much of a way of enforcing it unless we have some weird Elven Octo-mom pop up.

 

I think we should change the curse or just remove all of them (see above for reasons why that wouldn't be a bad idea tbh)

 

Similar to how you can't force a player group to be part of yours against their will(See how anytime an anti-Oren group gets subjugated, they don't stick around and RP being controlled, they just straight up bounce IE: Salvus, Aeroch Nor, Caliphate, etc) you're not going to be able to force players to play something they do not like.

 

If such curse was to be enforced harshly, those that enjoy their Elven families will simply switch races/move somewhere else and continue their behavior. I know many players that simply picked Elf as their race because its one of the less restrictive races to play.

 

And when people can only log on so much throughout a day/week/month/year, they're more interested in being able to pick up their family RP where it left off last week then having to worry about how many RL weeks they've been playing vs how many actual hours they have on their persona. 

 

 

[Sky 0]

6 minutes ago, Pess said:

Three is still much, that's the human core family setup.

You seem to of ignored the part where I keep bringing this up.

 

Elf = 1000 y/o

 

Human = 100 y/0

 

Elf has 4 kids, making it 1 kid every 250 years on average.

Human has 4 kids, making it 1 kid every 2.5 years on average.

 

How is it too much? Explain please.

[Guest]

Just now, Pess said:

Three is still much, that's the human core family setup.

Humans have less time to make children, and the capacity to have more than three irregardless. Elves can live to be a 1,000 years and their "fertile span" technically ends at five-hundred years old. I'd infer that the humans would have way more descendants by then and that three is a pretty fair number for the Elves and their families to adhere to as the "max" or rare circumstance. 

[AlmondTree 418]

Just now, Sky said:

You seem to of ignored the part where I keep bringing this up.

 

Elf = 1000 y/o

 

Human = 100 y/0

 

Elf has 4 kids, making it 1 kid every 250 years on average.

Human has 4 kids, making it 1 kid every 205 years on average.

 

How is it too much? Explain please.

It makes the curse irrelevant. which is why I have brought this up.

[AlmondTree 418]

Just now, aerialkebab said:

Humans have less time to make children, and the capacity to have more than three irregardless. Elves can live to be a 1,000 years and their "fertile span" technically ends at five-hundred years old. I'd infer that the humans would have way more descendants by then and that three is a pretty fair number for the Elves and their families to adhere to as the "max" or rare circumstance. 

Something that I would add that a human have about 25 years to have children. That's it before the female becomes infertile or it is frowned upon by the society.

[Sky 0]

Just now, Pess said:

It makes the curse irrelevant. which is why I have brought this up.

Their curse is near infertility, I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure one child in such a long time, is something I'd say is near to infertility.

[Sky 0]

2 minutes ago, Pess said:

Something that I would add that a human have about 25 years to have children. That's it before the female becomes infertile or it is frowned upon by the society.

Citation, needed.