[✗] [Amendment] Necromancy - The Craft of Heith-Hedran

[lemonke 6014]

From:

 

General Criteria:

 

• Upon Ordainment, a necromancer cannot drop the magic and is forever marked as having a corrupted soul for the purpose of other magics or Story Events.

 

 

To:

• Upon Ordainment, a necromancer cannot drop the magic and is forever marked as having a corrupted soul for the purpose of other magics or Story Events. However, it does not make Necromancers count as a "creature," and consequently, aurum does not affect them or similar effects.

 

 

 

 

Purpose: 

 

It is as simple as that. Only necromancers creatures or CAs have always been weak to Aurum, or their tether spell. They are not creatures; they still retain their descendant nature. I don't know what the problem is with LOTC people wanting to find out everything. Some things are more difficult to discover, and you guys can't get out of it always with *cuts arm with aurum "IT BURNS, IT IS A HERETIC!". If we follow this thing about aurum that some people are having: Then, Heralds, Djiin or anyone literally with a little different soul will be affected by Aurum greatly and not just necromancers since most magics, if not all, change the souls in a way or another.

[PrimnyaQuorum 4008]

I think this is overkill - Aurum lore specifies creatures and most people understand thats referring to CAs. Unless necromancy states a specific weakness to aurum, this just feels like cope

[lemonke 6014]

9 minutes ago, PrimnyaQuorum said:

I think this is overkill - Aurum lore specifies creatures and most people understand thats referring to CAs. Unless necromancy states a specific weakness to aurum, this just feels like cope

I don't understand how it's a cope. It doesn't affect time on a grand level since my necromancer looks like an abomination made flesh that will get killed on sight. Like the other post, you may say, "BAD POST XD," but I made this amendment because it was used in an argument within a situation to spook test other necromancers. So, to avoid any other verdict that makes no sense, I'm simply writing a simple line so that people can simply read. Consequently, people can stop asking whether aurum works on a necro or not for testing lol.

 

Edit; You are right. Necromancy does not mention any aurum weakness. Yet, that did not stop people.

[marsloll 1384]

 

????? please for the love of god, i can't keep doing this - its an altered soul regardless?? even naz are affected by aurum and they aren't cas

[Security_ 2287]

5 minutes ago, marslol said:

 

????? please for the love of god, i can't keep doing this

Are necromancers a creature now? The clear intent of aurum is to bring harm to “creatures” that are no longer descendants. If you want aurum to harm descendants with corrupted souls, blood magic, heraldry, mysticism, etc. would likewise be found out by aurum testing herein.

 

If this isnt your position my bad, but Templars trying to test necromancers using aurum rules is silly munchkin metaplay.

[lemonke 6014]

8 minutes ago, marslol said:

 

????? please for the love of god, i can't keep doing this - its an altered soul regardless?? even naz are affected by aurum and they aren't cas

Naz are affected by aurum only when they are in their true forms. If we follow your logic. EVERY magic user is affected by it.

 

AURUM has always been used AGAINST CREATURES.

[PrimnyaQuorum 4008]

17 minutes ago, marslol said:

????? please for the love of god, i can't keep doing this - its an altered soul regardless?? even naz are affected by aurum and they aren't cas

As naz creatures now? Naz doesnt even specify a weakness to aurum, just "deific holy magics" per the lore page [EDIT: And as confirmed by a Akal/ST, they are not weak to aurum]. 

 

If creature means any "Dark" MA/FA/CA and not every Altered Soul CA + anything that specifies, thats been poorly reconsidered and conveyed - by this logic Arcane Scions and Voidstalkers should probably be weak to aurum in some measure because "Altered Souls" include Necromancy/Naztherak now, which are just tainted souls???

31 minutes ago, lemonke said:

I don't understand how it's a cope. It doesn't affect time on a grand level since my necromancer looks like an abomination made flesh that will get killed on sight. Like the other post, you may say, "BAD POST XD," but I made this amendment because it was used in an argument within a situation to spook test other necromancers. So, to avoid any other verdict that makes no sense, I'm simply writing a simple line so that people can simply read. Consequently, people can stop asking whether aurum works on a necro or not for testing lol.

Your other amendent is enough - this is just overkill for its own sake because you got powergamed. It sucks yea but you should report it and amend templarism, not go berserk on every dark lore page that doesnt explicitly state such 

[lemonke 6014]

14 minutes ago, PrimnyaQuorum said:

Your other amendent is enough - this is just overkill for its own sake because you got powergamed. It sucks yea but you should report it and amend templarism, not go berserk on every dark lore page that doesnt explicitly state such 

I did not get power gamed, bruh. I don't want to repeat myself, but if you check the ST's response above, you may understand why I did it. I'm not going to change every MA lore, lol. I don't know why you thought so. I have written only where I heard the problem coming from. 

 

People have used the corrupted soul line in necromancy to win their "argument" and saying aurum works on them.

 

This is my  lastresponse to you here. Feel free to DM me if you need to talk more. You know my Discord.

[King_Kunuk 3025]

voidstalkers have black souls and they aren't weak to aurum
Mystics have black souls and only are weak to aurum when they are casting (otherwise being cut by aurum is big ouchie u cut me w metal)
Arcane scions have black souls and aren't weak to aurum (their soul shadow thing can't even be cut by it)

Having a 'black/corrupted soul' does not automatically make an individual weak to aurum. it is when their soul transends beyond what is 'normal' to that of a creature (azdrazi, Lich, phantom, frost witch, inferi), etc.

Naz being weak to aurum is specifically because their lore states they have a weakness during a transformation. but if you cut a naz's finger with aurum while they are in their normal form it won't harm them. Necromancers do not fundamentally transform when they start casting, therefore they are still just normal descendants

[MysticalWeasel 915]

6 hours ago, marslol said:

 

????? please for the love of god, i can't keep doing this - its an altered soul regardless?? even naz are affected by aurum and they aren't cas

Naz are only affected by Aurum whilst they are connected to their grimoire. Other then that they are not effected

[Werew0lf 24181]

10 hours ago, lemonke said:

From:

 

General Criteria:

 

• Upon Ordainment, a necromancer cannot drop the magic and is forever marked as having a corrupted soul for the purpose of other magics or Story Events.

 

 

To:

• Upon Ordainment, a necromancer cannot drop the magic and is forever marked as having a corrupted soul for the purpose of other magics or Story Events. However, it does not make Necromancers count as a "creature," and consequently, aurum does not affect them or similar effects.

 

 

 

 

Purpose: 

 

It is as simple as that. Only necromancers creatures or CAs have always been weak to Aurum, or their tether spell. They are now creatures; they still retain their descendant nature. I don't know what the problem is with LOTC people wanting to find out everything. Some things are more difficult to discover, and you guys can't get out of it always with *cuts arm with aurum "IT BURNS, IT IS A HERETIC!". If we follow this thing about aurum that some people are having: Then, Heralds, Djiin or anyone literally with a little different soul will be affected by Aurum greatly and not just necromancers since most magics, if not all, change the souls in a way or another.

djinn are affected by aurum

[lemonke 6014]

3 hours ago, Werew0lf said:

djinn are affected by aurum

Come here Raguel, it's testing time

[Islamadon 9163]

This lore has been denied.

After a vote, ST decided that while Necromancers will not be constituted as creatures, they would still be affected by Aurum due to soul corruption and general thematic nature. Reminder  that you can't be tested with Aurum either objectively, it just hurts.