What do you think of the Empire and its contributions to the server?

[Rig 17579]

1 minute ago, Fluffy Horror said:

@Rig1. All this over the name. And it didn't need to be all this, it's a very, very easy solution.

 

2. The Empire is both a single body and a group of other nations.

 

3. No they dooooon't, people be doing bad faith villainy all over the place with no consequences

 

1. The easy solution was given to you to begin with. Either way, you used the wrong name for the thing, and you're still deliberately avoiding the context of what the badges mean to begin with. Which again is plainly spelled out in front of you if you look as well at the links Lexi left you. 

3. It's because people aren't reporting them. I guarantee, you report them, and it's dealt with. If it's not, the person probably didn't break rules. 

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[Fluffy Horror 496]

@RigI know what the badges mean, I know what the cross means! Do you know what Rhodesian means? Also btw that player was reported and no one did jack shit about it. That Google Doc I linked was the report.

 

This is going in circles at this point, you're stuck on it being a mislabel and not acknowledging the problem that it's getting name-dropped in the first place. There's no real point to continuing, I've said my piece.

[Rig 17579]

3 minutes ago, Fluffy Horror said:

@RigI know what the badges mean, I know what the cross means! Do you know what Rhodesian means? Also btw that player was reported and no one did jack shit about it. That Google Doc I linked was the report.

 

This is going in circles at this point, you're stuck on it being a mislabel and not acknowledging the problem that it's getting name-dropped in the first place. There's no real point to continuing, I've said my piece.

 

If that doc was the report no wonder nobody took it seriously, didn't even follow the report format. Glad you finally read the pages, Lexi did you a solid there. I'm glad though that we've reached an agreement that you mislabeled it.

[Fluffy Horror 496]

@RigI did not mislabel it. They did. They were the ones calling it the Rhodesian Cross. Go take it up with them, I am just responding to what I see written.

 

I did read the pages, I have been aware, since the beginning, that the Cross shape they called a Rhodesian Cross is also a Cross shape used for other things. It is not a thing. So the person who used the word Rhodesian Cross had zero excuse, there's no symbol called that to mix it up with. Again, I do not care about the shape, I care that people are incorrectly calling it the Rhodesian Cross. I feel like you are deliberately missing my point.

@Rigalso, can you link to the report format so I can pass it on to the people who wrote the report, so they can file it correctly?

[Cheeseycereal 829]

1 hour ago, Fluffy Horror said:

2. Some people in power in the Empire are being deliberately villainous (do you feel they're the good guys?? Is this where this is coming from?? They're killing kids and advocating for the purging of entire races)
 

4. Each race should be allowed to maintain one place free of the influence of other races so that those who do not want to engage in racism/discrimination RP don't have to

Okay, moving away from Haelun’or as you stated, and addressing your point here: is your proposed solution to racism genuinely to create an ethnostate where only people of a single race are meant to exist?
 

I’ve also heard repeated claims about the Empire “killing children,” yet no one has actually described when this occurred. Like are you talking about- the child that pvped into the hnor meeting or what?? Meanwhile, we have elves having sleepovers in each other’s houses and a halfling priest casually discussing LoTC canonism or something. This does not exactly read as a racial purge. They just  dont fw Darkspawn and children of Iblees
 

For clarity, I don’t even roleplay in the Empire like that lol

[Fluffy Horror 496]

@Cheeseycerealno, my goal is for there to be one singular safe space for each race where they cannot be subjugated. It's a fantasy game, let the fantasy races have a space to call their own. I want to play Lord of the Craft, not Lord of the Humans. And that's obviously not a solution to racism, just a solution to the fact that some people don't want to engage with Empire RP. 24.7% of people, it looks like, which is a good chunk. 45.35% if you count the people who just expressed not liking it as opposed to hating it.

 

Okay, here are a few examples in which children were killed or tortured: Norland, Haelun'or, the Rex's daughter.

[deviouschungus 164]

1 hour ago, Fluffy Horror said:

Again, I do not care about the shape, I care that people are incorrectly calling it the Rhodesian Cross. I feel like you are deliberately missing my point.

people = 1 person unrelated to the empire

[Fluffy Horror 496]

@deviouschungusIn the CORONATION CEREMONY. The biggest Empire event you can get. Just right there, using a dog whistle in front of a massive amount of players, not one correction issued

[Navigator 4260]

@Fluffy HorrorSo I'm lowkey one of the people that advocates the most about not using certain parallels between fantasy and real-life - even if done respectfully or tastefully - because I believe there are lines and limitations that shouldn't be crossed. I called them out at the beginning when they used the 1942 version of the Iron Cross, to which they promptly changed it, and I was apologised to.

 

With that being said, you're just making yourself look bad, respectfully. @Rigand @Werew0lfhave both tirelessly tried to explain to you that it was two people completely unrelated to the Empire - which I can confirm, by the way, as a non-Imperial. I was at the Coronation, I saw what you saw - you're genuinely getting annoyed over nothing. Dog whistles are very much a thing, and exist, but you can't point the finger at the entire Empire for not giving a **** about what 2 randoms did when there were 10x more important shit happening at the event and the server.

 

Furthermore, I would normally wholeheartedly agree and commend an attempt to call out genocides and speak against them, but, as someone who played back when the High Elves purified people in acid pools, I can guarantee you, LotC has thoroughly evolved when it comes to OOCly regulating how far certain things can or can't go. This Empire is monumentally tamer than Empires of past, as many in this abominable thread have outlined.

 

Sorry, Fluffy, but this ain't it. Pack it up.  

[Fluffy Horror 496]

Alright, alright, I concede, I'm packing.

[Werew0lf 24179]

Peace and ***** love 

[spaazmatism 1017]

7 hours ago, Fluffy Horror said:

@RigGenocides can happen to terrible people, too. Hell yeah Haelun'or was evil and racist. Cool story, still genocide. The bombing of Dresden didn't target an entire ethnic group. Haelun'or was the sole state of a homogenous ethnic group.

 

Video games do not exist in a vacuum. We can, and should, in fact, apply the real world to our understanding of them.

 

If it's just a cross, why are people calling it the Rhodesian Cross?

 

The Empire on LOTC IS fascist. It is intended to be. People put fascists in media all the time for storytelling purposes. The difference is how that representation of fascism is handled. There is an ethical way to include stories of discrimination, fascism, and genocide in your games- especially when it's not NPCs playing the victims, but real people. What about that rhetoric is harmful? It just boils down to don't be a ****, check on your fellow RPers, and don't use actual real life Nazi dog whistles for your fictional fascists.

 

And I ultimately edited out my accusation of a copy and paste because I didn't want to use ad hominem. It was rude of me, and I apologize.

sacking racist ethnostate = genocide

ok bro...

[Rig 17579]

peace and love

 

 

number 1 imperial inquisitor out of here

[DancingZebra267 1626]

10 hours ago, Fluffy Horror said:

Another thing is that people are just, fully using IRL symbols of oppression and fascism without doing research about their meaning, and it inadvertently causes so much grief. Some people burned a cross the other day and I was like 😬 And there's the fact that the Empire is widely using the RHODESIAN CROSS as a symbol- and it's not just people not knowing what it is, because they call it the Rhodesian Cross in game. That's a white nationalist symbol, created and used by a famous, prominent white nationalist nation that no longer exists. It's really triggering for people to see genuine symbols and instruments of their IRL oppression on a fictional game. It's like if the Empire started using the swastika.

I believe you are confusing the Maltese (Rhodesian) cross with an Iron Cross.

 

When I searched "Rhodesian Cross" on google this is what popped up...

 

 

Should you want to learn a bit more on the differences between the Maltese cross and the Iron Cross, I added it below.

 

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The Maltese Cross originated with the Knights Hospitaller (Knights of St. John) during the Crusades, evolving from earlier Byzantine designs, becoming associated with the island of Malta in the 16th century, and symbolizing heroism, charity, and protection, notably becoming the iconic badge for firefighters representing bravery and sacrifice. Its eight points traditionally represent virtues like truth, faith, humility, and mercy, or the eight "languages" (nationalities) of the Knights. ~ Google.

 

 

 

The Iron Cross was a military decoration in the Kingdom of Prussia, the German Empire (1871–1918), and Nazi Germany (1933–1945). ~ Wikepedia 

 

Though I can see your confusion, for sadly Minecraft banners has its limits, and thus it is hard to make an actual good-looking Maltese Cross..